RST shortage, and other 2-1/2" shell sources?

[Mike of the Mountain]

Originally Posted by Kevin McCormack

Or conversely, as Frank Zappa put it, "Could this be Phase 1 of Lumpy Gravy?"

Kevin, I am impressed that you know FZs work!!

[Kevin McCormack]

Originally Posted by Mike Koneski

Kevin, I am impressed that you know FZs work!!

Yes Mike; I am enamoured of many of his compositions; some of my favorites are "Toads of the Short Forest", "Eric Dolphy Memorial Barbecue", and "America Drinks and goes Home." Each somehow remain relevant in small and personal ways to our various shooting events over the year. Can't wait for our 2022 outings!

[Bruce Day]

Originally Posted by John Allen

Remington dove and quail 16 gauge 1oz loads actually measure 21/4" unfired and 21/2" fired. I have shot them in damascus and fluid steel guns. Perfectly safe and you can find them at Walmart for $7.79 per box.

There are always those who claim that Remington 1 oz 1200fps shells produce much more recoil than RST 1 oz 1200 fps shells. RST uses slow burning powder ( PB?) which lengthens the period of pressure but does not reduce the peak pressure. Because the length of push is longer it is often perceived as less than shorter duration loads when the recoil energy is the same. Recoil energy is of course not the same as, but related to , chamber pressure. Chamber pressures for all these loads is below SAAMI maximum.

Of these different brand cartridges, which produces the greatest foot pounds of recoil ?

[winplumber]

Originally Posted by Bruce Day

There are always those who claim that Remington 1 oz 1200fps shells produce much more recoil than RST 1 oz 1200 fps shells.

Of these different brand cartridges, which produces the greatest foot pounds of recoil ?

So what are the pressures of all these

[Austin J Hawthorne Jr.]

I'm with Aaron. Do we get to split the prize?

[Dean Weber]

Originally Posted by Bruce Day

There are always those who claim that Remington 1 oz 1200fps shells produce much more recoil than RST 1 oz 1200 fps shells. RST uses slow burning powder ( PB?) which lengthens the period of pressure but does not reduce the peak pressure. Because the length of push is longer it is often perceived as less than shorter duration loads when the recoil energy is the same. Recoil energy is of course not the same as, but related to , chamber pressure. Chamber pressures for all these loads is below SAAMI maximum.

Of these different brand cartridges, which produces the greatest foot pounds of recoil ?

1 oz payload at 1200 fps

[Reggie B]

I have a stockpile of RST 20 and 28 gauge. I am taking bids. PMs only.


Just kidding! I do have a bunch of both those gauges but I plan on using them all.

[ED J, MORGAN]

Without calculations I will guess Federal . Which i use some.

[Aaron Beck]

looks like the rst. Is there a prize?

[Bruce Day]

There are many recoil calculators on the internet to use. All of them require the weight and velocity of the mass of everything that goes out the barrel over the mass of the gun. So , with that in mind And assuming the weight of the test gun is constant and the weight of the gas propellant and wad is roughly the same , the faster loads have more recoil. We have said that these are all 1 oz loads , so your choice to reduce recoil is to shoot a load with less fps or use a heavier gun. So the Remington and RST loads have the same recoil energy with 1200 fps and the others have less , with 1165 fps, etc.

Note that chamber length, angle of forcing cone , choke , size of shot , and design of the wad have nothing to do with recoil foot pounds.