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Unread 12-29-2011, 03:45 PM   #1
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The 700X works in Michigan winters - at times below zero. Paul
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Unread 12-29-2011, 04:06 PM   #2
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Jent:
"Verrry Interrresting" on the loose wads.... If you'd be so kind, what type of load do you use with this case, and about hot many reloads do you get before a wad is likely to come loose?

I assume you are firing these cartridges in a Parker double, and not a semi-auto or pump.

I use Federal plastic cases myself and have not noticed this problem.

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The wad is never "likely" to come loose. It will come loose when you least expect it. It isn't something that happens often. Most hulls will never lose a base wad before being unloadable. Look down that barrel.
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Jent, This is what I use on those bothersome Remington 10ga hulls with loose primers. After using it the first time on new hulls, primers still hold tight after several reloads. I use Win 209 primers. HTH, Robert.
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I've never had the problem with primers in the Remington hull - but that said, I live a couple of miles from Williams - have to ask about the tool next time I stop in. Didn't know they made one and I'm in there about twice a month and learn about it here. Paul
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Jent, Mark, et al:
While I am not denying that base wads from Federal 10-bore cases could come loose, I am a bit baffled as to how they could migrate halfway down the barrel. Please understand that I am NOT a physicist nor an explosives engineer, but these questions persist in my mind:

1) When gunpowder ignites it creates a gas pressure that is equal in all directions. This is physics.

2) As the wad column and shot move forward, it allows the building gas pressure to move this ejecta down the barrel and out the muzzle.

3) As the ejecta travels within the barrel, there is STILL gas pressure pushing backward against the base wad/cartridge head. When the shot and wads leave the muzzle, this pressure drops to zero.

4) In this whole process, I cannot think of any force induced by firing the cartridge that would allow the basewad to move FORWARD and down the barrel.

In posing these thoughts, I'm just trying to understand why this phenomenon apparently happens. NOT that it doesn't happen. I know that Tom Armbrust posts here occasionally, so he may have an expert's explanation as to why this apparent redefinition of physics takes place. Or point out what force moves the base wad forward.

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I am guessing that the wad and shot create a vacuum when exiting barrel. This would pull the base wad forward. Dave
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Holeshot:
Think of it... wad and shot are being propelled by positive gas pressure. When they exit the muzzle, there is no pressure. then the atmosphere wants to "neutralize" the pressure condition inside the barrel by rushing inward... could there ever be a vacuum between a pressure condition and a "neutral" condition?

Just thinking out loud. Possibly wrongly.

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I think Jent has it right. Gas gets behind the base wad by going past the primer, As the shot charge goes down the barrel, the pressure drops, but there is still enough pressure trapped behind the base wad to move it into the barrel
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