roomy hull

[Paul Harm]

First off, a Remington hull is tapered wall hull[ Win also ] where as the Cheddite is a straight walled hull. That's why the powder is leaking by. Many recipes show a wad for a tapered hull used in a straight walled hull, but you see the problem with that clear hull. Even Claybusters shows their Win/Rem wads being used in straight walled hulls and they make a wad for straight walled hulls. Don't ask me why they list them. Any hull except the Rem/Win is straight walled. To the best of my knowledge the 10ga, 16ga, 20ga, 28ga, and 410 are all straight. The only exception is the Win AAHS hulls. They take a special wad. Second, the RP12 wad is meant for 1 1/2oz of lead shot in a tapered wall hull. Go to BPI and ask what wad to use for a bismuth load. It's different than a lead shot wad. Make sure you mention if they don't ask what hull you're using.

[edgarspencer]

Paul’s comment reminds me of an embarrassing blooper I had while shooting at Wallingford with Dave Suponski. I had loaded up a bunch of cheap Winchester hulls with AA wads,but the hulls turned out to be straight walled. I took my station, confident I was going to nail it, and after a mere pop, burning powder shot out the front along with wad and shot, which landed about 10 feet in front of me. We made quick work of the grass fire, and while the laugh was on me, I couldn’t help but laugh also.

[Paul Harm]

Another thought. I'd think you'd want to keep the bimuth shot with in the shot cup so the barrel walls are protected. In your picture it's above the shot cup. You're going to have to find a different powder/wad height to take up the room without jacking the shot above the wad. Maybe Big Friend 10 will chime in on this seeing how he does a lot of waterfowl hunting. Hey Mark, where are ya ?

[OH Osthaus]

Originally Posted by Paul Harm

Another thought. I'd think you'd want to keep the bimuth shot with in the shot cup so the barrel walls are protected. In your picture it's above the shot cup. You're going to have to find a different powder/wad height to take up the room without jacking the shot above the wad. Maybe Big Friend 10 will chime in on this seeing how he does a lot of waterfowl hunting. Hey Mark, where are ya ?

i am also trying different loads

but part of the point is that this load just plain does not work as presented - and its a published load - how could they have tested it as is - i wonder if some loads are calculated and never actually loaded

thanks guys for the ideas for modifying it, i may have some of the altered recipes tesdted

[James Halvorson]

Originally Posted by Rick Losey

i tried cheerios - they crushed - so now to find a filler that will hold up

Four or five airsoft bbs work well for that. Plastic filler beads from the fabric store are lighter and also work well.

[Craig Larter]

I have never had any problems using a RP-10 wad in Cheddite 10ga hull or the fig 8 in a cheddite 12ga hull. Paul why would you be concerned with bismuth making contact with the barrel?

[OH Osthaus]

Craig - i am going to try the Remington figure 8 as you have in your TM load

[Paul Harm]

I've never loaded shells for waterfowl so I assumed bismuth could be detrimental for steel barrels. I have a friend who like a lot of us are always trying something different with the reloads. He was using some foreign straight walled hull and Claybuster Win/Rem wads, the 1118-12ga. I told him he could do it, but would loose a little pressure and velocity. I gave him a handful of wads meant for a straight wall hull to try. That was it, for some reason he switched immediately. If I remember, he said he cut one open with the wrong wad and found powder leaking by the wad. If powder can leak by, how much pressure will leak by ? Yes they can be used, but why do it if you can just as easily use the correct wad ? A 3118 or 2118 work in Fed style shells. Go here to check em out http://www.claybusterwads.com/index.php/federal-style
If you want stack height higher go to a wad that holds less shot. The shot cup isn't changed much, but the cushion height is.

[OH Osthaus]

Originally Posted by Paul Harm

I've never loaded shells for waterfowl so I assumed bismuth could be detrimental for steel barrels.

the point of using Bismuth is that it is safe for barrels

[Jack Kuzepski]

Hey Rick,

I'm a little late to this party but I use those foam polish packing peanuts. Break off a piece that looks about right and if it is a little large it will compress. They hardly weigh anything so cannot increase pressures very much. My problem is finding them without going to a stationary store to buy a huge bag of them.

Jack Kuzepski