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Unread 08-13-2025, 12:32 AM   #1
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Or any 12 gauge, for that matter. They have become really unpopular.

Why?

Is the recoil that punishing? (I don’t find it to be a problem.)
No 12 gauge is not "really unpopular", they are just not the shotgun fad today. People who shoot shotguns understand that the most effective gun is the 12 gauge. Other's are used for various reasons which includes what is the in thing at the time. If one shows up at the gun range with a 16 then he/she is cool. If he/she has a 12 then he/she is old hat.
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I currently have 14 shotguns that are 12 gauge made by various manufacturers including Parker, Marlin, Franchi, Mossburg, Stevens, Hatsan & Winchester. I have a couple of .410's, one 28 ga. couple of 20's and a couple of 16's, none of which are Parkers. I don't plan on buying any more 12's unless it's a really great deal, because I don't need any more.
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While I'm not a 12 gauge guy and never have been in the last two years I have bought several. A 12 gauge with a 7/8oz or 3/4oz payload is a pure pleasure to shoot.
As mentioned previously the UK has banned all lead shot which drives down the cost of a vintage Purdey, H&H, Boss etc. Two years ago at the Southern I picked up a matched pair of Purdey forward snap action guns for what one would have cost several years prior.
To the best of my recollection my shotgun adoptions over the last two years by gauge are 12's -6 (but in my defense there are two matched pairs), 16's-3 and 20's -2..
The only hunting I do with a 12 is some Quail hunting in Georgia and some Grouse hunting in MI with a Purdey light game gun and RST 2 inch shells. Essentially a 28ga load in a 12
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Clearly there is much pessimism here about the future of side-by-side shotguns, bird hunting, and Parker collecting. I do not share that pessimism. From my perspective, the left and their culture wars have created a generation of men that are exploding with masculinity. Just Google the "Tate brothers." Many of those men will eventually find their way to us.

I recently read this article and thought the author was preaching to the choir: https://dailyreckoning.com/gen-z-nat...vs-communists/

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Victor, I'm with you!
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Clearly there is much pessimism here about the future of side-by-side shotguns, bird hunting, and Parker collecting. I do not share that pessimism. From my perspective, the left and their culture wars have created a generation of men that are exploding with masculinity. Just Google the "Tate brothers." Many of those men will eventually find their way to us.

I recently read this article and thought the author was preaching to the choir: https://dailyreckoning.com/gen-z-nat...vs-communists/

-Victor

What do shotguns and Parker’s have to do with two brothers who have been accused of human trafficking and sexual assault of minors, to name just two of the serious allegations against them.
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Ira:

Either you are being obtuse or you missed my point entirely.

I am not defending or promoting the Tate brothers. I am no fan of theirs whatsoever. I am just pointing out that there is an entire generation of young men (Gen-Zers) that are rediscovering masculinity after years of being emasculated. Millions of these Gen-Zers were searching for something masculine and ended up "following" the Tate brothers (before they were canceled based on various criminal allegations). My point was simply that it is only a matter of time before these Gen-Zers—eschewing the culture wars and desperately seeking masculinity—find their way to parkerguns.org.

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Ira:

Either you are being obtuse or you missed my point entirely.

I am not defending or promoting the Tate brothers. I am no fan of theirs whatsoever. I am just pointing out that there is an entire generation of young men (Gen-Zers) that are rediscovering masculinity after years of being emasculated. Millions of these Gen-Zers were searching for something masculine and ended up "following" the Tate brothers (before they were canceled based on various criminal allegations). My point was simply that it is only a matter of time before these Gen-Zers—eschewing the culture wars and desperately seeking masculinity—find their way to parkerguns.org.

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I don't think rebellious Gen-Zers will choose classic American doubles when they are ready to flex their testosterone
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