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I measured how far the pins extended from the breach face of my 20 gauge top lever hammer gun and came up with .085" by using a feeler gauge. I refuse to grind down the pins on this valuable gun, so 20 gauge RST shells will not be purchased by me anymore. It actually angers me that RST doesn't use top quality components since this ammo is meant to be used in valuable antique firearms, some of which are irreplaceable.