Checkered Butts on High Grades

[Mark Conrad]

Larry, e mail your serial # to me and I will to look at that order again. Bruce, the DHE 20 is exactly what I am talking about. Here is the order for that gun. Note "no butt plate". When I first started this job of research, I thought this meant nothing on the butt and the customer would put his own pad on the gun. The price of a pad is $4.00 which was really high at the time. The pattern on this D grade is similar to the B grade I have but the B is a little finer.

Bruce, I tried to copy the order book and post it here but it didn't work. I'll send it to you as a scan and you can try posting it here. Thanks

Mark

[George Lander]

Mark: My DHE 20 bore which I purchased from Holt's in England has a straight grip stock with a chequered butt (no SSBP or heel & toe plates) just wood. The gun has English proofs and was finished in 1925 & has 30 inch barrels. If you're interested I'll take some pictures & post them.

Best Regards, George

[Dean Romig]

George, for the benefit of all, please do post some pictures.

Thanks, Dean

[Jim Kucaba]

My 20 ga. Lifter Gun, SN 10165 from the Jim Parker Collection has a no checkering on the grip or forearm and it has a skeleton butt plate with no checkering in the center area ... Is that common among early Parkers, or is it a rarity ?

Jim Kucaba ... AriZOOna Cactus Patch ... Email: JimKucaba@aol.com

[Bruce Day]

SN 157,389 Order Book entry.

[Bill Murphy]

William Wagner in Washington, DC ordered many guns with "no butt". I have not run into one of these guns to determine what the deal is. However, I doubt that they were checkered butt guns. I think Wagner just didn't like paying $4.00 for a Silvers pad. I think if we find some of these guns, we will find recoil pads on the south end.

[Mark Conrad]

Larry's AA says no butt. So we have no heel plate, no butt plate and no butt. We need to fine a gun that says no butt to see if it is checkered. Interesting.

Mark

[George Lander]

Mark: The 20 bore DHE that I bought in England has the SN 213884 and is listed in the serialization book as a "T13" with straight stock, ejectors & 30 inch barrels made in 1925. The PGCA letter that I ordered had no further information. The gun is in beautiful original condition with British Proofs. If I can figure out how to post pictures here I will do so.

Best Regards, George

[Mark Conrad]

Originally Posted by George Lander

Mark: The 20 bore DHE that I bought in England has the SN 213884 and is listed in the serialization book as a "T13" with straight stock, ejectors & 30 inch barrels made in 1925. The PGCA letter that I ordered had no further information. The gun is in beautiful original condition with British Proofs. If I can figure out how to post pictures here I will do so.

Best Regards, George

George, your gun was built after the order books end. We only have the stock book whcih does not indicate what is on the butt.

Mark

[C.O.B.]

This is off topic for which I apologise but as George bought a DHE 20 that was in England and I have a CHE 20 also with British proof marks it got me to wondering how many Parkers have gone across the pond and returned back to the states. I would assume that if the gun was sold new to a European customer it would have to go through their proof house.

Are there any records of new Parkers being shipped overseas?