Ruark on gauge for quail.....

[mobirdhunter]

Originally Posted by Daryl Corona

We all know how quickly that time goes don't we?

Amen...too quickly.

[Stan Hillis]

Sir Joseph Nickerson, who died in 1990, switched from 12 bores to 20s later in life (1972, to be exact), then to 28's in his later years. He favored 13/16 oz. of no. 5's for high pheasant in the 20s, not sure what load in the 28s, and accounted for staggering numbers of gamebirds per day. He decried shooting close and low birds, favoring high birds and challenging presentations. His reason for going to the "little guns", weight. He said that as he grew older the 12s were just too heavy for him to lift all day, and that by conserving energy he could shoot better later in the day. He also pioneered the use of over and unders on the driven shoots of Britian and Spain, favoring them over the side by sides.

A true "big shot" of modern times, Joe accomplished feats equal to Lord Ripon, but with 28 bores. He shot more grouse in his last fifteen years than did Ripon (who used 12s) in his last fifteen. Ripon, who it is said took 97,503 grouse in his lifetime, killed 3435 grouse in his best year using 12 bores. Nickerson, in 1988, took 3390 with 28s, and over 3000 the previous year.

Joe was a great student of the shotgun, and went to great lengths to recover all shot birds. He knew his limits of range and stayed within them, striving always to center the birds head in his pattern. The center of the pattern is not much different between guages, but is deadly in all of them. Never having shot flushed pheasants (in the butt), I can see where the smaller guages would be more limited in range as compared to the 12. The rear of any bird is the toughest presentation to cleanly down the bird. But for the head-on and crossing driven game he chased the small guns suited him just fine.

I have a 28, a FAIR Verona with 30" barrels, and I shoot it pretty good. But, when I want to go small I go really small, down to my .410s. I have three .410 doubles, all with 30" barrels, one of them with screw-in chokes. They are the most fun on a dove field that you can have with your clothes on.

[John Davis]

J. J. Pringle, "Twenty Years' Snipe-Shooting," records bagging 78,602 snipe over the course of his hunting career. Snipe being the hardest of all game birds to hit, IMHO. He accomplished this with light English 12 gauges.

As far as Bobwhite quail go, if I'm shooting pen raised birds then the 20 or 28 gauge is more than adequate. If it's wild birds I'm chasing then I'm not proud, I'll usually go with a 16 or 12. I'm just not that good of a wing shot and since I'm typically hunting off horse back, weight isn't a concern.

As an aside, AKC doesn't allow a gauge smaller than 20 in a retrieving call back.

As to the vaulted .410, great for training young dogs steady to wing and shot but that's about it for me.

[Bill Murphy]

Craig attended an auction a few short months ago where he turned down an astounding 28 gauge Parker fully optioned quail gun for short money. I was surprised. Of course, I'm as guilty as he, because I turned down Doctor Norris' Purdey quail gun for the same kind of short money, but a few years earlier.

[Stan Hillis]

Choke is a wonderful tool, if used properly. Choke constriction can make a small bore's pattern density the equal of a big bores', especially at the core. Density and individual pellet energy is what kills birds, not bore size. Four pellets delivered to the vitals of a dove or quail from a small bore have exactly the same ability to disable and kill as four pellets from a big bore, given identical pellet weights, construction and velocity.

The way the smaller bores can (and do) deliver the same density is by utilizing a greater amount of choke constriction. This, of course, decreases the overall size of the pattern which requires more skill in placing the pattern on the bird. Therein lies the challenge to the gunner.

I believe in the ethical taking of game, and over the years have scrutinized my ability to take small game birds with a .410 closely. I don't "stretch it" when it comes to range. My .410s, with my .73 ounce handloads of nickel plated 8s are solid performers out to 30-35 yards on doves, a bit less on quail, because of the need to drive pellets up through the body into the vitals, from the rear usually.

I don't look down on anyone who makes a rational and ethical choice of gun and loads for game birds or ducks. I love my 16s and 12s, and shoot the 12s more than any other gauge, by far. It just seems to me to be a big waste of resources and recoil when I see guns on a dove field, or in the quail woods, using 1 1/8 oz. of shot to kill a little bird of a few ounces weight, when 1 1/4 oz. will deck any big duck that ever flew. Not pointing fingers at anyone in particular, of course, but I have watched this in amazement here, for many, many years. JMOBOE.

[Double Lab]

So very well said Stan. Sir Joseph is a man that I would have loved to share a dove field with. I know not every one takes shooting a shotgun as seriously as you but my firm belief is that if you are going to take a gun into the field to pursue game you owe it to your quarry and yourself to be as proficient as humanly possible to make clean kills. That requires burning a lot of powder during the year and not just the week before the season opens.

[Mills]

One obstacle to my getting a Parker 410 is that money could buy another Parker 28 gauge with money left over.

The older I get, the more I like full chokes

[todd allen]

Ruark also said this:
Use Enough Gun Ruark.jpg

[Mills]

Enough is one thing. Too much is another

[Stan Hillis]

Shotgunning gamebirds cannot be compared to using rifles on big game. My previous post about the number of pellets placed on target explains why. You can put just as many pellets on target with a small bore as with a larger bore, up to a point. Not so when comparing a 150 gr. bullet to a 350 gr. bullet. The energy delivered to the quarry is vastly different.