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Mike Franzen
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Posted: Sun Apr 19th, 2009 10:33 pm |
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Found some Win AA ammo in Wal-Mart today that is listed as LOW RECOIL, LOW NOISE, TARGET LOAD. The box reads 50% LESS RECOIL AND NOISE. 12 GA, 2 3/4", MIN. DR. EQ., 26 GRAM. A box of these weigh significantly less than than AA LIGHT TARGET LOADS. I'm wondering if anyone knows the pressure rating for these and if they were developed for vintage guns?
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Dave Miles
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Posted: Sun Apr 19th, 2009 10:46 pm |
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| I don't believe they were developed especially for vintage guns. If I remember correctly they're around 950 fps, but I can't recall the PSI. It's a pretty weak load.
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Chuck Bishop
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Posted: Sun Apr 19th, 2009 10:52 pm |
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| I believe they are rated at 980 fps which is fine for close up shots. I would have to think the psi would be in the 5000 to 6000 range. I tried a box of them and there was a lot of unburnt power residue left in the barrels. I wouldn't try them in real cold weather.
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Jent P Mitchell III
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Posted: Sun Apr 19th, 2009 11:56 pm |
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I have seen these used and even fired a few myself. In my opinion they are WORTHLESS ! They would not even be any good for making noise on the 4th of July. They just do not have enough horsepower. The newer BIODEGRADABLE clay targets are hard enough to break with full power AA and STS loads. Do not waste your money on these very low power AA loads. Buy proven good RST ammo for your vintage Parker and shoot with confidence.
Good Shooting To You All, Jent
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Bill Bolyard
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Posted: Sun Apr 19th, 2009 11:58 pm |
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Jent,
Why are you always yelling at us?
Bill
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Ed Blake
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Posted: Mon Apr 20th, 2009 12:01 am |
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| Jent's the only poster I can read without my glasses.
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Tom Bria
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Posted: Mon Apr 20th, 2009 12:23 am |
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Take the attachment for what it's worth. May or may not be the same 26 gram load.
Attachment: Winchester_featherlites_sherman_bell_072899.pdf (Downloaded 53 times)
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David Hamilton
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Posted: Mon Apr 20th, 2009 01:02 am |
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| These Winchester loads are very similar to the B&P Sub-Sound 12 ga loads which are rated at 1100 fps and 26 gr of lead in 7 1/2 shot size. I have used them hunting and clay shooting. They will not reach out to a long shot but hey work just fine for skeet or any fairly close shooting. Just fine! You can shoot them all day without feeling any effect. I am going to give some to Jent for free if he will reduce his font size on this forum. One other advantage for old Parkers these shells are 2 5/8" long. David Last edited on Mon Apr 20th, 2009 01:03 am by David Hamilton
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Jent P Mitchell III
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Posted: Mon Apr 20th, 2009 03:03 pm |
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Hello Guys, All you have to do is select number 3 in the top left of the POST REPLY box and your print will be this size and easily read by all of us old timers.
What we need to do is eliminate the default setting of number 2 in the POST REPLY box. Nothing smaller than setting number 3 should be used. Size 2 is just to hard to see on a computer screen.
Now back to these low power Winchester AA 12 gauge loads.
They use to be called FEATHERLIGHTS or something very similar to that by Winchester. When shooting these light loads, or any very light load, at the newer BIODEGRADABLE clay targets the light targets loads do not reliably break the BIODEGRADABLE clay targets.
I have witnessed BIOS being shot from the bottom, think high overheads, or something like SKEET station 8 but 3 or 4 times higher, and you can clearly see the pellets going through the BIOS and the clay target flies on unbroken.
I was with a young lady at PHSC in WV one day shooting a high slow in coming overhead BIO clay target. She was shooting a 28 gauge over and under with modern factory loaded 28 gauge target ammo, I have forgotten what size shot was in these shells, and she was HITTING the BIO clay target everytime but only BREAKING the BIO clay target 2 out of 3 times. The lesson learned here is to bring enough gun and bring suitable ammo.
Now this leads me to another question of judgement. Let's say we are at THE SOUTHERN SXS and we are shooting a target that is on it's face or on it's belly and the shooter clearly knocks a bucket of orange paint off of the clay target but no chunck or piece comes off ???? Do we call that a X or a O on the score sheet. Now everybody remember that some of these shooters are using damascus barreled guns so they are using light loads, what is the fair and right thing to do ??? Everybody knows that a pellet or 2 or 3 pellets had to go through the BIO clay target to blow that orange paint off so how do you score it ???? X or O ???
Good Shooting To You All, Jent
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Posted: Mon Apr 20th, 2009 05:56 pm |
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Jent. you have a piont there. At the club that I shoot at, I wittnessed a target change direction almost by 90 degrees, but did not break. We had just got in a new shipment of the bio targets. We were just shooting for fun and concidered it a hit, but in a contest.....
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David Hamilton
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Posted: Mon Apr 20th, 2009 06:08 pm |
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Back to Jent rules. We shoot for fun and don't score our shoots except in the case of a contest. Which brings me to the Southern. Knock e'm dead you guys!
David
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RICHARD L ANDERSON
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Posted: Tue Apr 21st, 2009 12:58 am |
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If no piece come off the target its lost. You can dust em all you want but thats not breaking them.
I still need my glasses to read Jents postings .
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Posted: Tue Apr 21st, 2009 01:01 am |
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Mike, I don't know what the pressure is, and no, they were not developed for vintage guns. However, I really like them in my 6 lb., 6 oz. Lebeau Courally and my 6 lb. 7 oz. Garbi on doves and quail. They pattern very well and I don't like a lot of recoil. These loads are very pleasant to shoot and kill doves and quail very dead!
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Mike Franzen
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Posted: Tue Apr 21st, 2009 04:24 am |
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HEY JENT, I'M GOING TO TRY THOSE LOADS OUT AND LET YOU KNOW WHAT I THINK 
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Bill Murphy
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Posted: Tue Apr 21st, 2009 01:25 pm |
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| Next time I get near a pressure gun, I'm going to test those AA Feathers or whatever they call them. I have heard them exhibit off sound characteristics in warm weather. Conversely, I have frozen RST Lites and they all sound good, all of them. I can't believe that Winchester, or whatever they call themselves, do not test those shells enough to hear what I hear. I can load good sounding low pressure 7/8 ounce loads at home. I don't know why they can't do it in a factory. Last edited on Tue Apr 21st, 2009 06:32 pm by Bill Murphy
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Ed Blake
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Posted: Tue Apr 21st, 2009 01:31 pm |
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I have had success with these shells at backyard skeet, but they are not worth what you have to pay for them. I started my son with them and worked him into "real" ammo gradually. If you shoot with neighbors close by the report is relatively low. The AAs used to be great hulls to reload, but lately I have had trouble getting the crimps to close on AAs. Remington hulls, on the other hand, are a far better hull to reload.
And as far as PSI goes, I called Winchester a couple years ago and asked. They said it was around 6,500 psi. This load can be duplicated per the Hodgden data.
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Mike Franzen
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Posted: Tue Apr 21st, 2009 02:06 pm |
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Bill, I'll bring you some this weekend for your pressure test if you want them. I have a box but haven't fired any off. 6500 psi is quite a bit higher than the 5000 psi recipe I reload for my 141 year old hammer gun. I haven't had any trouble breaking targets ... as long as I hit them ... with that load. They sound good too.
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Bill Murphy
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Posted: Tue Apr 21st, 2009 06:35 pm |
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| Yup, I would reload also, rather than to buy the Feathers. If you will bring me one or two, I will try to compare them to other low pressure shells of known pressure. I don't own the machine, so give me time.
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