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Don Kaas PGCA Member
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Here is a picture of a 16g T0 0 frame top lever I recently picked up on Auction Arms. i have a very similar gun with the same feature. As I mentioned in a previous post, I looked at a D2 #48,795 yesterday with the milled watertable. Certainly, this is the one of the most attractive features of these little guns. Brad Steinfeld has a similar gun 16g T0 toplever at Russ Bickels for repair that I saw a few weeks ago. It is in a similar serial # range (if I recall correctly) but I was surprised to see it did not have a milled watertable. As with so many things Meriden, I wonder why? Attached Image (viewed 488 times): |
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Don Kaas PGCA Member
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A little more detail... Attached Image (viewed 483 times): |
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Dave Miles PGCA Member 
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Here's a picture of another one. 0 frame, 16 gauge, top lever. On the erlier ones, that don't have the 3rd lug for the check hook, there isn't a pin in the receiver. So the milled areas are one long groove. If you'll notice where the pin goes through the receiver, they skip the milling. I'll try to post a picture tonignt. Attached Image (viewed 461 times): Last edited on Fri Jun 5th, 2009 04:28 pm by Dave Miles |
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Bill Murphy PGCA Member
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My 27" 16, #172,662 has the mill cuts, but #54,369 does not. #54,369 is on a stock book page with a whole flock of other top action 16s, maybe all of which were made without mill cuts, I don't know. That big 30" zero frame top action was posted in the stock book at 7 pounds 3 ounces, so was never meant to be a lightweight. The Parker blueprints of the 1/2 frame called for mill cuts but I've never seen a 1/2 frame with the cuts. |
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travis newman PGCA Member
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Here's one from14290 16ga lifter that doesn't have the pin in the frame. Attached Image (viewed 406 times): |
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Thomas Schiffer Member
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These are all 16 ga guns. Any other Parker gauges done with milled water table? ts |
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Brian Davis Member
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I am still learning the basics here. Was the milled water table to reduce weight? Brian |
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Bill Murphy PGCA Member
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I think milled out water tables are seen on 0 frame hammer guns, 000 frame and 00 frame hammerless guns. 000 and 00 frames were both made in 28 gauge and .410 bore. I am waiting for someone to come forward with an early 20 or 28 gauge 0 frame hammerless gun and a Remington era 1/2 frame with milled out water tables, but I don't know of one so far. Anyone else? Last edited on Sat Jun 6th, 2009 08:20 pm by Bill Murphy |
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Angel Cruz PGCA Member 
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Here's another 16g on a 0 frame. Attached Image (viewed 318 times): |
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Dave Miles PGCA Member
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Here's an early 16 gauge, 0 frame. Doesn't have the pin for the check hook. Attached Image (viewed 308 times): |
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Dave Miles PGCA Member
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One more picture. Attached Image (viewed 308 times): |
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Dean Romig PGCA Member
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Here's my first, 74443. Attached Image (viewed 247 times): |
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Dean Romig PGCA Member
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Here's my second, 74625, possibly unfired. Attached Image (viewed 247 times): |
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Dean Romig PGCA Member
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Here's my third... picked up yesterday at Hausman's, 74446. Attached Image (viewed 244 times): |
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john truitt PGCA Member
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Dean, Dont do that to us. Tell us about her. She looks like a nice one. |
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Dean Romig PGCA Member
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On page 268 of The Parker Story in the Tables for "Grade 1 Top-Action Hammer Guns With Laminated Steel Barrels" this gun is shown as the only known sixteen gauge with 26" barrels and according to the PGCA research letter on this gun it came from "that dusty little plant down in Meriden" with 26" barrels. But I can't mislead you on this gun - it had been fired with shells that were too long or too strong (or both) and the gun needs some very extensive work to make it into the collector/shooter I wish it to be. Both barrels right at the front of the chambers/start of the cones have very minor circumferencial bulges and the brazed joints of the lug to barrels have seperated. It is so minor that neither the seller nor myself had noticed it at all. I will have it properly repaired and the work will be done by an expert like Kirk Merrington at whatever expense is necessary. Last edited on Thu Jun 11th, 2009 06:31 pm by Dean Romig |
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Don Kaas PGCA Member
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That's a shame, Dean. So much for happy endings... Here is a late (1900) #1 frame 16g T1 without a milled watertable for reference for those unfamilar with Parker hammerguns... Attached Image (viewed 200 times): |
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Dean Romig PGCA Member
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Dave, what grade is your 13011? |
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Dave Miles PGCA Member
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Dean, The letter says it's a 0 grade, however it has grade 1 engraving. |
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Dean Romig PGCA Member
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I'm with you on that. Can you show us a side view? |
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Dave Miles PGCA Member
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Dave Miles PGCA Member
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Dave Miles PGCA Member
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Dean Romig PGCA Member
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Definitely a Grade 1 engraving job - the equivalent of the later "P" Grade. I believe both Murphy and Mark Conrad have said that the grade on earlier guns (maybe all guns) was determined by the price assigned to the gun. If, for instance, a discount were given or a pricing error was made (or even human error on the part of Parker Bros. employees) it is easily understandable how the grade of a gun could have been misconstrued, hence Dave's Grade 1 being listed as a Grade 0. Last edited on Tue Jun 9th, 2009 01:39 pm by Dean Romig |
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Don Kaas PGCA Member
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Ditto the #1 frame 32" 16g shown above (previously owned by Brother Miles). It is listed as a T0 but the watertable is marked "P" so Parker must have thought it was a Grade 1 gun. |
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Dean Romig PGCA Member
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Of my three nearly identical 16 ga., 0-frame, t/a, Laminated Steel barreled hammer guns with simple single-line engraving and the vvvvvvvvvv style of border engraving we are used to seeing on VH guns, 74443 and 74625 are listed as Grade 0 while 74446 is listed as a Grade 1 . . . go figure  Last edited on Wed Jun 10th, 2009 02:54 pm by Dean Romig |
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Pat Boccuzzi BBS Member
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Dean, Your so nice with your kind words, If us Parker people can't help and trust one another out on a simple issue then the World is a sad place. Enjoy the gun as it a sweet little lady. Show some off all of the sweet case color on the sides and bottom of the gun. Pat Boccuzzi |
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Dean Romig PGCA Member
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Pat, it certainly is a pretty gun isn't it . . . Have you read my latest e-mail to you of about 6:15 this evening? Here's another picture. Attached Image (viewed 50 times): Last edited on Tue Jun 9th, 2009 11:32 pm by Dean Romig |
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Dean Romig PGCA Member
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