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Tom Bria
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Posted: Thu Jun 11th, 2009 02:54 am |
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I bid $42.50 and it was accepted.
I suspect those frames should be transferred through an FFL. If I were to buy them, the FFL fees here in So Cal would be $250 ($85 for the first one, and $55 for each addilional piece from the same state). Can't even afford to buy parts guns at that rate.
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Pat Dugan
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Posted: Thu Jun 11th, 2009 03:53 am |
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I don't have to pay anything to recieve them and maybe thats why there was no interest, it would have cost too much to recieve them
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Destry Hoffard
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Posted: Thu Jun 11th, 2009 10:56 pm |
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Yeah, by the letter of the law, those are technically "guns" so would require an FFL for shipping.
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Pat Dugan
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Posted: Fri Jun 12th, 2009 03:07 am |
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I sent the FFL to the seller. Not doing so, somebody would be in trouble.
But I would like to see sombody from the government show me how to shoot them.
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Dean Romig
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Posted: Fri Jun 12th, 2009 03:23 am |
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Tom Bria
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Posted: Fri Jun 12th, 2009 05:05 am |
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I'd really like to see a determination of the law in the case of those frames. They can't be considered to be "actions" as there are no moving parts that could constitute a machine capable of being joined with barrels and firing a cartridge.
It's the same deal on frames for 1911 pistols. The frame IS the gun; everything else is just parts.
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John Mazza
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Posted: Fri Jun 12th, 2009 01:32 pm |
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Agreed. Same thing with a centerfire rifle. Take one's Remington 700 bolt action rifle... Remove the barreled action from the stock, take off the barrel, throw out the bolt, and you're left with a metal cylinder that, by itself, may be useless (except as a paperweight) - but is considered a firearm by federal law.
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Jack Cronkhite
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Posted: Fri Jun 12th, 2009 04:42 pm |
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It would be interesting to have a determination made. Being an "outsider" I watch with interest. Here is an argument for the soon to become "paper weights" to be just paper-weights.
1. They are outside the "purpose" of the law
2. It is an undue restriction/burden on law abiding citizens
3. They do not meet the definition of a firearm because they cannot be readily converted to expel a projectile
4. Although they are frames, they are not frames of "any such weapon" being one that can readily be converted to expel a projectile (B) seems not to stand alone, it is linked back to (A) by the words "any such weapon"
5. They are not "destructive devices" by definition of the Act
For the legal profession out there, would that fly? Arguments based on the following (have there been amendments to the Act that negate the arguments? Are the arguments flawed? Been attempted and refuted by a court?
The Gun Control Act of 1968, Public Law 90-618
Purpose Sec. 101. The Congress hereby declares that the purpose of this title is to provide support to Federal, State, and local law enforcement officials in their fight against crime and violence, and it is not the purpose of this title to place any undue or unnecessary Federal restrictions or burdens on law-abiding citizens with respect to the acquisition, possession, or use of firearms appropriate to the purpose of hunting, trapshooting, target shooting, personal protection, or any other lawful activity, and that this title is not intended to discourage or eliminate the private ownership or use of firearms by law-abiding citizens for lawful purposes, or provide for the imposition by Federal regulations of any procedures or requirements other than those reasonably necessary to implement and effectuate the provisions of this title.
(3) The term "firearm" means (A) any weapon (including a starter gun) which will or is designed to or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive; (B) the frame or receiver of any such weapon; (C) any firearm muffler or firearm silencer; or (D) any destructive device. Such term does not include an antique firearm.
(4) The term "destructive device" means--
(A) any explosive, incendiary, or poison gas --
(i) bomb,
(ii) grenade,
(iii) rocket having a propellant charge of more than four ounces,
(iv) missile having an explosive or incendiary charge of more than
one-quarter ounce,
(v) mine, or
(vi) device similar to any of the devices described in the
preceding clauses;
(B) any type of weapon (other than a shotgun or a shotgun shell which
the Secretary finds is generally recognized as particularly suitable
for sporting purposes) by whatever name known which will, or which may
be readily converted to, expel a projectile by the action of an
explosive or other propellant, and which has any barrel with a bore of
more than one-half inch in diameter; and
(C) any combination of parts either designed or intended for use in
converting any device into any destructive device described in
subparagraph (A) or (B) and from which a destructive device may be
readily assembled.
The term "destructive device" shall not include any device which is neither designed nor redesigned for use as a weapon; any device, although originally designed for use as a weapon, which is redesigned for use as a signaling, pyrotechnic, line throwing, safety, or similar device; surplus ordinance sold, loaned, or given by the Secretary of the Army pursuant to the provisions of section 4684(2), 4685, or 4686 of title 10; or any other device which the Secretary of the Treasury finds is not likely to be used as a weapon, is an antique, or is a rifle which the owner intends to use solely for sporting, recreational or cultural purposes.
(5) The term "shotgun" means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed shotgun shell to fire through a smooth bore either a number of ball shot or a single projectile for each single pull of the trigger.
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