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james w van blaricum,III
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Posted: Mon Mar 23rd, 2009 10:42 pm |
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The various interest in shot shells and gauages stimulated me to get out some shells that were in my fathers stuff. I have a bunch but it was interesting that I have 2 8 ga. paper hulls that are primed but have never been loaded and there is a another 8 ga that is a loaded hull that is labeled "industrial". and another which is a Federal 12ga paper shell with a roll crimp and labeled Federal Gas. For what it is worth.
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Bill Murphy
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Posted: Tue Mar 24th, 2009 12:26 am |
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Bruce, yup, "Maybe I'm right", thanks for the generous comment. A more diplomatic response may have been, "Thanks for the information". Oh well. It took you two years to reply and then you come up with this one. You kiss off my positive reply and then you chastise a new poster, all in the same sentence. Maybe you should start whatever you do later in the day. If you want more info, read Walt Snyder's book. It has a short section on the Ithaca Survival Gun.
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Dean Romig
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Posted: Tue Mar 24th, 2009 01:15 am |
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Dave Noreen wrote: Keith Kearcher did an article in The Double Gun Journal, Volume Four, Issue 3 on a Parker Bros. DHE 16-gauge made with an extra set of 18-gauge barrels for Browning. Somewhere around 1905 UMC made a run of shells, but half way thru the bunter that made the 18-gauge headstamp broke and they finished the run with a 20-gauge head stamp, hence two shells needed to complete your 18-gauge collection. One a Nitro-Club marked 18 and another marked 20. The shells were 2-inches long and carried a load of 3/4 ounce of #7 1/2 chilled, over 18 grains of Infallible.
Do I remember correctly that this gun was up for auction in the last couple of years?
Actually Dave, it is currently up for sale. I don't own it and considered it but have no interest in it any longer.
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Bruce Day
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Posted: Tue Mar 24th, 2009 02:03 am |
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Bill Murphy, I was talking to Bill Bolyard, not you. I don't know anything about Walt Snyder or an Ithaca book. Never met him, never read the book, never owned an Ithaca, never shot an Ithaca.
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Bill Murphy
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Posted: Tue Mar 24th, 2009 11:26 am |
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| Sorry, Bruce, but I can't locate a Bill Bolyard post before your comment. If I went overboard in chastising you for making a sarcastic comment to a new poster, at least I won't be the first. I apologize for shedding some light on the Air Force survival weapon, but you brought it up for discussion, not I.
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Bob Jurewicz
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Posted: Tue Mar 24th, 2009 05:07 pm |
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Destry,
I have a full box of those aluminums marked "14 gauge". If you measure they are short 20's.
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Destry Hoffard
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Posted: Wed Mar 25th, 2009 04:35 pm |
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Bob,
I'd always thought those 14 gauge shells were made for use in an experimental Model 12 but found out a couple years ago they were for some oddball automatic. I'd heard before that they weren't true 14 gauge. Glad to know that at least was correct, still interesting shells none the less.
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Bill Murphy
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Posted: Wed Mar 25th, 2009 04:54 pm |
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| Yeah, Destry. The gun was the Model 50, the automatic with a floating chamber. They made a few of them in 14 gauge and they are a hot collector gun to some. The shells show up fairly often.
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Destry Hoffard
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Posted: Wed Mar 25th, 2009 05:13 pm |
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It's surprising how often on the shells, Daryl bought multiple boxes at the Southern a couple years ago. He even gave me a couple that had different crimp seals for my collection and wouldn't take a dime.
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Robert Delk
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Posted: Wed Mar 25th, 2009 06:58 pm |
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Destry, I saw an experimental model 12 chambered for the 14 guage at a gunshop in Fairfield ,Iowa in '73 or 74.The owner collected model 21's and his last name began with an 'S" but I just can't remember it.He had it hanging up in the air out of reach in his shop with a sign proclaiming what it was.He was a hard core model 21 collector and had a bunch of them,over 20 as I recall, that he sometimes would exhibit at Iowa shows.
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Destry Hoffard
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Posted: Wed Mar 25th, 2009 07:16 pm |
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So I'm not completely crazy!!! I knew I'd seen one years ago but everybody kept telling me it was only that automatic they'd made in 14 gauge.
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Bill Murphy
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Posted: Wed Mar 25th, 2009 08:32 pm |
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| Destry, bring a handful of those shells to the Southern and we'll try them out in my 12 gauge Model 12.
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Destry Hoffard
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Posted: Wed Mar 25th, 2009 08:43 pm |
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I meant a couple as in a couple single shells, I don't have any full boxes. My guess is they'd shoot in a 20 gauge Model 12, you've prolly got a dozen.
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Derrick Stewart
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Posted: Wed Mar 25th, 2009 11:38 pm |
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Van,
Is your 8 ga shell that is maked "Industrial" a Winchester Super X? I have one in my small collection of shells. It seems like I read somewere were they were used to bust up concrete. Maybe somone else can elaborate on the use of these shells. Very instresting shell to say the least.
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Don Kaas
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Posted: Wed Mar 25th, 2009 11:48 pm |
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| They are used to knock off slag on kiln walls.
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