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Patrick Lien Member
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111838 found at Denver gun show. Very heavy 32" damascus barrels with Ejectors. This gun was made the same year as the first ejector gun in TPS(112920) but is over 1000 guns earlier. There is no ejector patent date on the forend iron. There is a Remington repair code(EE3) for either 1936 or 1958. Wear plate has been replaced. Original or retro fit? For those of you with retro fit ejectors, how was the hole in the lug to hold the extractors addressed? thank you Pat [size=] Attached Image (viewed 347 times): |
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Dean Romig PGCA Member
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Most likely went back to Meriden for ejectors and had the later wear plate fitted while there. If this is the case, there will likely have been no mention of the refitted wear plate as this was done as a matter of routine when a gun went back to Meriden after 1910. Do you have a letter yet? |
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john truitt PGCA Member
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How heavy is heavy? What is the unstruck weight marked on the barrels. Sorry I could not make it out in the picts. |
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Patrick Lien Member
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The barrel weight is 4/13. The frame size is 2. This is my fathers gun. He ordered a letter and I believe it is in process. I am just the picture poster. How did Remington or Parker retro fit these guns? The dolls head has to be replaced. Did they replace the back portion of the rib as well? If the gun was damascus did they replace this with damascus or fluid steel? How did they fix the screw hole for the extractors? thanks Pat |
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Dave Suponski PGCA Member
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Pat ,Do you have any pictures of the rib? |
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Larry Frey PGCA Member
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Patrick, I have a gun at home 108??? that had ejectors added by Parker. Babe verified this as a certain jig was used when ejectors were added so there was a noticeable difference from when a gun with ejectors was made new. I will check it out tonight and see if I can determine the difference for you. |
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Patrick Lien Member
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Dave, Here is a picture of the rib. My dad is visiting for the week. He read your earlier post on the Chevy Truck and is now out taking pictures of his 72 GMC. Stay tuned. Pat Attached Image (viewed 316 times): |
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Patrick Lien Member
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Hopefully a better picture. Attached Image (viewed 316 times): |
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Patrick Lien Member
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Gun was delivered to my house in my fathers road trip rig. Pat Attached Image (viewed 312 times): |
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Patrick Lien Member
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Big Big block 427 ex bonneville engine. bored .060 now 439 Cu. In. special cam. Forged TRW pistons, and tight chambered heads. Built 400 turbo trans, and 4.54 rear gear. use truck to pull 21 foot Airstream. Wife of almost 50 yrs and Sara Furgarson ( red headed golden Retriever) formed a coup, and will no longer ride in the truck. So the old guy travels alone now, or takes a newer truck. David Attached Image (viewed 307 times): |
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Dean Romig PGCA Member
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Larry Frey wrote: Patrick, Maybe we can compare pics - I have 79355 which went back in 1916 to have ejectors fitted and had the 1910 wear plate fitted at the same time. The letter supports the ejectors but makes no mention of the wear plate. Last edited on Tue May 26th, 2009 08:40 pm by Dean Romig |
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Patrick Lien Member
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Dean, I would really like to see some pics of your gun to compare. I cannot find anthing on my fathers gun that is unique or telling that it was retro fitted. Pat |
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Carl Brandt PGCA Member 
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Reference the first photo in this thread: There is no extractor retaining screw or hole in the bottom of the barrel lump. How did after market ejector conversions address this issue on guns that are known to have been changed?? |
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Dave Suponski PGCA Member
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Carl,I noticed that also. Rebarreling and adding an ejector forend would be easy for the factory.I think the telling would in the frame modification. No? Pat,That is one great truck! Dad is visiting for a week Huh? Good luck with that  Count your guns BEFORE he leaves... |
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Dean Romig PGCA Member
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A very good point Carl. |
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Patrick Lien Member
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Carl Brandt wrote: Reference the first photo in this thread: There is no extractor retaining screw or hole in the bottom of the barrel lump. How did after market ejector conversions address this issue on guns that are known to have been changed?? I thought I was asking the same thing in the last of my first post. Pat |
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Dave Suponski PGCA Member
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Pat,I looks to me that there was never a screw.Everything I see tells me this gun is right. Could this be an ejector gun that predates the serial number in TPS? |
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Larry Frey PGCA Member
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Patrick, As I said in my earlier post Babe DelGrego had told me my gun was retrofitted with ejectors at Parker Brother's and he could tell this by the way the holes were drilled using a jig which he still has in his shop. I guess I should have been paying closer attention as I looked at several frames, forends, and barrel sets with factory ejectors and could not find a measurable difference in any of them verses my retrofit gun. I have to believe the frames were annealed in order to drill the two .093 pin holes. This would have been almost impossible on a hardened receiver especially given the fact that these two holes come in off a radius. Also the dolls head would have to be removed and machined for the stop plate and ejector groves added. The extractor screw you asked about is the only tell tale sign I could find that indicates that this gun was indeed a retrofit. You can make out in the picture below that it was filled with weld and filed clean. After looking at the photo it became clear that the witness line around the hole would indicate that the hole was not welded but either tapped and a screw inserted and then machined off, or a press fit plug put in and the excess machined off. Attached Image (viewed 251 times): Last edited on Wed May 27th, 2009 12:12 am by Larry Frey |
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Patrick Lien Member
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Larry, Thank you for the picture. That is what I was looking for on my dad's gun and it is not there. There is a small w or m stamped just forward of where the extractor screw hole would be. Maybe the letter will shed some additional light on this. thanks again. Pat |
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Dean Romig PGCA Member
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Here are a few pictures of 79355 which, as I stated previously, had gone back to Meriden to be fitted with ejectors according to my research letter. Note that the doll's head extension is of steel, not Damascus and that there is no evidence of a filled screw hole in the lug for the extractor retainer screw and that it has been fitted with the 1910 patented wear plate with the milled side slots. The wood is obviously replacement and it was very poorly done . . . but that's not the issue anyway  Attached Image (viewed 219 times): Last edited on Wed May 27th, 2009 12:42 am by Dean Romig |
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Patrick Lien Member
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Here is a better shot of the barrel lugs. Pat Attached Image (viewed 163 times): |
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Dean Romig PGCA Member
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That one appears to have been milled in the area we are discussing re: the extractor retaining screw. Why does that look like a 2-frame 8guage??? Last edited on Wed May 27th, 2009 12:51 am by Dean Romig |
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Chris Travinski PGCA Member
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I could be possible that the screw hole in your gun was welded or had a screw soldered in place, while Larry's and Dean's were not. It would be easy to place a screw into the hole, solder it, and file it flush. It wold be difficult to weld the hole without having to redrill the hole for the ejector rods. It may depend who did the work, either way would provide an undectable repair. |
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Larry Frey PGCA Member
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Dean, I'm not sure what the 8 means but it is also seen in my pic but the gun is a 12 gage. |
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Dean Romig PGCA Member
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Chris, Larry's definitely shows evidence of a plugged or welded over screw hole. Looking closely a broken circular line is visible where the screw hole would have been. |
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David Lien PGCA Member
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Letter arrived today. Parker # 111838 was ordered by the Marshall Wells Company in Winnipeg, Manitoba on june 9, 1902 and shipped sept 9, 1902. Order book #56 confirmns gun to be A DH 32in. barrels F & F and 8 lbs. No mention of ejectors. Whoever did the conversion work was very good at what he did, but then why would-n't he be, he worked for Parker. Thank you all for the interest in the gun, and your comments. In 107 yrs. the gun went to Winnipeg, back to Parker and wound up at the Denver gun show in the hands of a small gun collector from Oregon. I can not help but wonder about its other travels, and adventures. I do not get to see very many Damascus ejectors guns, so this one looks like it will be some fun. Dave I hauled a John Deere Garden tractor up to Patrick, so I took the old truck. and some shotguns. Pat did not watch close enough as I came home with a PW 10 Ga. loader, and a pre war Model 12 two pin trap gun.( HAH) I also found a 410 and 28 Ga. Lyman roll crimpers at one of the local spots, and a couple of thousand 45 LC lead cast bullets. I returned home by traveling up the Clearwater and over the Lolo Pass, and then the Lost Trail pass. I stopped along the Clearwater river and watched a couple of Nez Perce anglers land a " B Run" Steelhead. Fish looked to be over 25 LBS, and they were using fairly light tackle. This fish was a wild fish and they put him back in the river. This year was the best "B Run" in many years. One of the Locals at Orofino, Idaho told of landing 150+ fish this spring. When I got home I could hear a lite tic tic tic under the driver's side valve cover, Sooooo last friday while you old has been "motor heads" rubbed snake oil on your Parkers, and spent the day smiling at unsuspecting older ladies, this old fellow spent most of the day out in the shop with a handful of wrenches and some feeler gauges. You just gotta love them solid lifter cams. However as they take the zink out of the motor oil, the flat tappet and solid lifter cams will go the way of the buffalo. Dave On the way to the Denver gun show I found the old fellows house out in the middle of Wyoming. He really does live east of no-where. No one was home and I left him a note in his mail box along with my phone #. He can not have a land line phone, but maybe a cell phone. He definitely has sage grouse close to his house. |
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