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Danny McHugh PGCA Member
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Pretty Sad! http://www.auctionarms.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=9160184 |
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Jack Cronkhite Member 
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Too bad. What use is there for just the frame? Maybe encased in clear acrylic as a paper weight?? The guts would be useful for other projects but why would someone start a project with just the frame? All useful project parts are gone it looks. Let's see, I have a frame and all I need is every other part (expensive) to make a very limited value mis-matched shooter. Am I missing something??  |
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Dean Romig PGCA Member
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Thanks! This is really a good start for me. If I can find enough of these lower grade frames I will finally have enough weight for the mooring for my new boat... |
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Jim Williams BBS Member
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How about a Parker wind chime...or a mobil to hang over your newborn's crib? Jim |
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Jack Cronkhite Member
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Thanks! This is really a good start for me. If I can find enough of these lower grade frames I will finally have enough weight for the mooring for my new boat... Don't pay full list. Surely any offer will be acceptable. How about a Parker wind chime...or a mobil to hang over your newborn's crib? I'll donate high tensile aircraft cable for the mobile and an infant sized helmet. For the wind chime I can donate about 12 inches of catastrophically failed barrels to the mix. |
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Richard Flanders PGCA Member 
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Perfect Jim! A wind chime. What better use for such iron? |
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Bill Murphy PGCA Member
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I doubt that those receivers will "Ring". I have used a 5E Ithaca single barrel receiver as a desktop paperweight for years. However, it has some nice inlays that give it a bit of character. |
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Jack Cronkhite Member
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Bill: More of a clunk/thunk than chime but add that 12 inches of blown barrel to the mix we could have a noise maker. I wonder if those guns could have been restored rather than reduced to parts. I guess if that doesn't happen from time to time I'll never come up with a sear spring or top lever spring. Cheers, Jack |
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Harry Sanders PGCA Member 
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Take the joint roll out and they become a "tuning fork" with a little more work. Last edited on Mon Jun 8th, 2009 04:00 pm by Harry Sanders |
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Jack Cronkhite Member
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Harry: On the serious side for a moment, have you removed a joint roll and re-inserted one? Is it possible to do in the home workshop? And how so?? Jack BTW: Nice Gordon setter (I think) avatar. Last edited on Mon Jun 8th, 2009 04:10 pm by Jack Cronkhite |
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George Lander Member
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What is really sad is that Danny noticed something of interest and Parker connected on Auction Arms & posted it. All he got for his trouble is a lot of grief. Someone who has a Parker with a cracked or badly worn frame might just welcome the information. Just My Humble Opinion......George |
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Jack Cronkhite Member
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The voice of reason George. I don't think anyone intended any grief toward Danny. You have answered my initial question though and thanks for that. I have seen some badly worn frames but never a cracked one. What would it take to cause a crack? Is there a location prone to cracking i.e. if the frame cracks it is highly probable it would be near a certain spot? Every time I read your signature line quote, it seems that bell gets clearer and not so distant anymore. Regards, Jack |
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Dave Suponski PGCA Member
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I have only seen two cracked frames...an Ithaca Flues and a Fox. |
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Pete Lester Member 
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I was thinking the same thing as George. I know person with a 16ga VH 1 frame and the frame is warped (from a recase). A person in such a situation might indeed welcome the chance to pick up a frame that might possibly be made to fit The old adage is true one man's garbage is another man's treasure. |
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Robert Delk Member
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I had a frame off a G hammerless that was badly cracked at juncture of flats and breech. Looked more like a tear as there was considerable ragged edges and a 1/8 th inch  opening. Seller had no idea of how it happened or where the rest of the gun was. |
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Dean Romig PGCA Member
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Robert Delk wrote: Seller had no idea of how it happened or where the rest of the gun was. I'm sure it wouldn't matter. With that kind of damage I'm pretty sure the barrels would be junk and the stock likely broken. It takes one awful impact to fracture a frame like you describe. |
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Harry Sanders PGCA Member
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Jack, I'm fortunate to have a sizeble press in my shop that I use to press them out when I'm doing a deep clean. I suppose one could make a tight fitting punch and drive it out in a vise. I like the press as it imparts less shock. I then hold the pin in a vise and turn the screw all the way in and make an index mark on the pin side with a sharpie for alignment during re-assembly. |
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David Hamilton PGCA Member
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What I like is the statement that "we will not be responsible for any damage in Shipping." As we all know the shipper is responsible for safe delivery and the recipient has no recourse unless he arranges for complex insurance in advance. David |
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Pat Dugan PGCA Member 
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I bid $42.50 and it was accepted. I intend on giving them to Parker Friends as paperweights for their office or desk. The seller however has not responded to where or how to pay for them. Who knows the Parker engraving is worth the $10.63 each. PDD Attached Image (viewed 173 times): |
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Jim Williams BBS Member
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George Lander wrote: What is really sad is that Danny noticed something of interest and Parker connected on Auction Arms & posted it. All he got for his trouble is a lot of grief. Someone who has a Parker with a cracked or badly worn frame might just welcome the information. Now hang on a minute there, George. I have to disagree with anyone giving Danny any grief. I think we were all echoing his own sentiment: quote - "Pretty Sad!" At least that's how I took it. For my part, I was agreeing with him. I mean, he titled the thread "Elephant Graveyard," after all. Jim Last edited on Thu Jun 11th, 2009 02:36 am by Jim Williams |
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Tom Bria PGCA Member
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I bid $42.50 and it was accepted. I suspect those frames should be transferred through an FFL. If I were to buy them, the FFL fees here in So Cal would be $250 ($85 for the first one, and $55 for each addilional piece from the same state). Can't even afford to buy parts guns at that rate. |
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Pat Dugan PGCA Member
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I don't have to pay anything to recieve them and maybe thats why there was no interest, it would have cost too much to recieve them PDD Last edited on Thu Jun 11th, 2009 03:55 am by Pat Dugan |
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Destry Hoffard PGCA Member 
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Yeah, by the letter of the law, those are technically "guns" so would require an FFL for shipping. DLH |
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Pat Dugan PGCA Member
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I sent the FFL to the seller. Not doing so, somebody would be in trouble. But I would like to see sombody from the government show me how to shoot them. PDD |
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Dean Romig PGCA Member
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I'd really like to see a determination of the law in the case of those frames. They can't be considered to be "actions" as there are no moving parts that could constitute a machine capable of being joined with barrels and firing a cartridge. |
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Tom Bria PGCA Member
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I'd really like to see a determination of the law in the case of those frames. They can't be considered to be "actions" as there are no moving parts that could constitute a machine capable of being joined with barrels and firing a cartridge. It's the same deal on frames for 1911 pistols. The frame IS the gun; everything else is just parts. |
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John Mazza Member
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Agreed. Same thing with a centerfire rifle. Take one's Remington 700 bolt action rifle... Remove the barreled action from the stock, take off the barrel, throw out the bolt, and you're left with a metal cylinder that, by itself, may be useless (except as a paperweight) - but is considered a firearm by federal law. { Did you really expect "common sense" from our government ???? } |
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Jack Cronkhite Member
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It would be interesting to have a determination made. Being an "outsider" I watch with interest. Here is an argument for the soon to become "paper weights" to be just paper-weights. 1. They are outside the "purpose" of the law 2. It is an undue restriction/burden on law abiding citizens 3. They do not meet the definition of a firearm because they cannot be readily converted to expel a projectile 4. Although they are frames, they are not frames of "any such weapon" being one that can readily be converted to expel a projectile (B) seems not to stand alone, it is linked back to (A) by the words "any such weapon" 5. They are not "destructive devices" by definition of the Act For the legal profession out there, would that fly? Arguments based on the following (have there been amendments to the Act that negate the arguments? Are the arguments flawed? Been attempted and refuted by a court? The Gun Control Act of 1968, Public Law 90-618 Purpose Sec. 101. The Congress hereby declares that the purpose of this title is to provide support to Federal, State, and local law enforcement officials in their fight against crime and violence, and it is not the purpose of this title to place any undue or unnecessary Federal restrictions or burdens on law-abiding citizens with respect to the acquisition, possession, or use of firearms appropriate to the purpose of hunting, trapshooting, target shooting, personal protection, or any other lawful activity, and that this title is not intended to discourage or eliminate the private ownership or use of firearms by law-abiding citizens for lawful purposes, or provide for the imposition by Federal regulations of any procedures or requirements other than those reasonably necessary to implement and effectuate the provisions of this title.(3) The term "firearm" means (A) any weapon (including a starter gun) which will or is designed to or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive; (B) the frame or receiver of any such weapon; (C) any firearm muffler or firearm silencer; or (D) any destructive device. Such term does not include an antique firearm. (4) The term "destructive device" means-- (A) any explosive, incendiary, or poison gas -- (i) bomb, (ii) grenade, (iii) rocket having a propellant charge of more than four ounces, (iv) missile having an explosive or incendiary charge of more than one-quarter ounce, (v) mine, or (vi) device similar to any of the devices described in the preceding clauses; (B) any type of weapon (other than a shotgun or a shotgun shell which the Secretary finds is generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes) by whatever name known which will, or which may be readily converted to, expel a projectile by the action of an explosive or other propellant, and which has any barrel with a bore of more than one-half inch in diameter; and (C) any combination of parts either designed or intended for use in converting any device into any destructive device described in subparagraph (A) or (B) and from which a destructive device may be readily assembled. The term "destructive device" shall not include any device which is neither designed nor redesigned for use as a weapon; any device, although originally designed for use as a weapon, which is redesigned for use as a signaling, pyrotechnic, line throwing, safety, or similar device; surplus ordinance sold, loaned, or given by the Secretary of the Army pursuant to the provisions of section 4684(2), 4685, or 4686 of title 10; or any other device which the Secretary of the Treasury finds is not likely to be used as a weapon, is an antique, or is a rifle which the owner intends to use solely for sporting, recreational or cultural purposes. (5) The term "shotgun" means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed shotgun shell to fire through a smooth bore either a number of ball shot or a single projectile for each single pull of the trigger. |
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