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Bruce Day
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Posted: Thu Apr 16th, 2009 03:00 pm |
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Some ejectors on guns I have only project out a very short distance, others a long way out. That can be within the same gauge. What's the deal here? Some elevate the shell only a short distance, others a long way. For example, with two 1910 guns, one elevates the shells ( unfired mode) less than 1/4", other gun quite a bit more. The slight elevation isn't very easy to pull out the unfired shells. I don't see any discernable wear on the ends of the ejector rods, no mushrooming, no hammer marks, nothing that looks like wear to me. In fired mode, the shells are ejected just fine.
A fellow asked me that question the other night and I had no answer for him other than I had noticed the same thing. I've never seen any Parker mention of short ejectors or long ejectors and I would hav ethought they would all be the same.
Here's the issue:
To get these out, you have to turn the gun up and somestimes shake it so that the shells fall out.
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Posted: Thu Apr 16th, 2009 03:38 pm |
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Second gun, both fully open. A lot more shells, maybe 60,000 to 80,000 have been run through this gun and the ejectors are original with never a problem.
You can just pull these out with your fingernails or even gloves.
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Dave Miles
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Posted: Thu Apr 16th, 2009 04:14 pm |
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Just shoot the shells Bruce, I'll bet they come out then. They're made to be fired, not played with. 
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Bruce Day
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Posted: Thu Apr 16th, 2009 04:36 pm |
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I know Dave. I have to quit playing with my shells. But sometimes when I go hunting, I don't end up with fired shells. It usually happens when I go woods grouse hunting. Maybe I'll make it up there some time and you guys can teach me all those Yooper secrets about how to find ruffed grouse, like that darned Bolyard and all those grouse. He probably went out and stocked them for his father.
Guess I'll tell the other fellow that asked that it is just one of those great mysteries and there is no answer. I really hadn't thought much about it.
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Posted: Thu Apr 16th, 2009 04:42 pm |
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| Picture 1 gun worn out throw it away. Picture 2 just about scrap. I wish I had two guns with that problem! Parkers that is.
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Posted: Thu Apr 16th, 2009 04:43 pm |
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Bruce,
The extraction component of an ejector gun is the shorter roll (item #17 on the parts illustration) engaging the step in the bottom of the split extractors. I would guess that the gun that does not protrude enough had the step filed too far back and needs metal added to this step or replacement and refitting of the split extractors.
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Bruce Day
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Posted: Thu Apr 16th, 2009 04:50 pm |
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| Thank you Carl. If its just the step, I might have that fixed sometime if it starts to bother me too much. As I mentioned, it ejects just fine. As for the ejector/extractor rods, I understand those are so hard to find, I'm not even going to think about it. Last edited on Thu Apr 16th, 2009 04:52 pm by Bruce Day
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Posted: Thu Apr 16th, 2009 04:52 pm |
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| Or the possibility that too much material had been filed from the faces of the ejector hammers by some less than experienced person attempting to time the ejectors.
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Bruce Day
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Posted: Thu Apr 16th, 2009 05:30 pm |
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Could be, so I checked, Dean.
The center forend is the one that only slightly elevates. It is flanked by two full opening ones.
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Carl Brandt
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Posted: Thu Apr 16th, 2009 06:19 pm |
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| The ejector hammers do not strike the plit extractors unless the main hammers have been dropped. The projection on the roll does the extraction just like a regular extractor gun. Turn over your barrels and compare the underside of the split extractors between the two guns in question.
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Posted: Thu Apr 16th, 2009 06:29 pm |
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| Carl's right. Just weld some length onto the foreward tips of the ejectors and file to an acceptable length for the amount of lift you will need.
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Bruce Day
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Posted: Thu Apr 16th, 2009 06:30 pm |
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Carl, it's the barrel set on the left that doesn't extend fully.
It looks like the step in the rods on the left do not extend as far as the step on the right barrel rods. I see no mushrooming, wear or file marks on them, so if that is the engagement part, maybe it came that way from the factory?
Dean, if its the end of the split rods, isn't that the ejector hammer engagement surface and isn't the step in the rods the extractor engagement surface?
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Posted: Thu Apr 16th, 2009 06:49 pm |
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| Yup, so weld the "steps" a little longer and file to the desired amount of lift.
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Posted: Thu Apr 16th, 2009 06:50 pm |
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| Yup...Its unfixable...Just send the gun to me...I,ll give it a good home with all my other unfixable Parkers Last edited on Thu Apr 16th, 2009 06:50 pm by Dave Suponski
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Posted: Thu Apr 16th, 2009 06:51 pm |
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That's it.
#1 below is where the ejector hammers contact the split extractors to eject the spent shell.
#2 is where the roll projection does the extraction to raise un-fired shells.
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Bruce Day
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Posted: Thu Apr 16th, 2009 09:32 pm |
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Carl and Dean, thank you so much. If I send the gun if for repairs or cleaning some time, I'll have that done. Dean, the gun we've been dealing with is that little 20ga DHE 24", the Mrs Howard gun . You've seen it and perhaps shot it. It's one that was made for quail in North Carolina and grouse in Nova Scotia. I have a much better understanding of the ejector/extractor rods now.
Dave, love to shoot with you some time and you can use it all you want. Its light and like any short gun, got to stay with the swing and follow through.
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