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Bill Murphy
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Posted: Fri Jun 16th, 2006 12:26 pm |
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| Don, no, I don't believe the gun you mention is the gun I am referring to. The gun I refer to is of original length with a burst barrel. Nice looking gun and a great buy for someone with an extra set of Model 21 16 barrels sitting around the house.
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Posted: Fri Jun 16th, 2006 01:59 pm |
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B-Murphy Wrote:
"I have a blown up and dismantled high condition (otherwise) smallbore Parker hammer gun. The wall thickness at the burst point is like notebook paper. I have no idea how it got that way, but it could have been detected with a Manson gauge by anyone contemplating shooting it. There was absolutely no mystery about the cause of the burst."
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Bill, with regards to the small-bore mentioned in your comments above:
What gauge and what type of steel?....
Can you share with us the wall thickness measurements in the thin burst area?
Did it burst top, side, or bottom, and how far was the burst area from the muzzle end?
Thanks, CSL
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Bill Murphy
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Posted: Fri Jun 16th, 2006 04:30 pm |
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| As my four year old granddaughter would say, "Oh, maaaannnn! Whydya hafta ask me that?" I don't know how thick it is and I don't know how it got the way it did. The gunsmith or sleever who was attempting to make a steel 20 gauge out of it let the whole mess just rust away and now it is hard to tell what is what. I've got before and after pictures of the gun itself and that will prove that I am not trying to hold back information, the rust coat was so thick that you just can't tell. I now have two sets of barrels for the back end and I'm looking for a Parker genius to get those barrels fitted. They go on except for the last 1/64" of closing. I can't tell what's keeping the thing from clicking shut. I also need to change over to a old style flat bolt because the gun is a 172,000 series gun with a 1910 type bolt that is not compatible with the barrels I am trying to fit. I have a flat bolt that I bought from Phil Murphy but it is probably a 12 gauge and I don't know if bolts are interchangable among frame sizes. My gun is zero frame. Lots of questions, how about some answers. Thanks.
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Bill Murphy
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Posted: Fri Jun 16th, 2006 04:31 pm |
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| Chris, if I haven't thrown out the tubes I will try to answer your questions when I find them. It was a Damascus 16, serial number 172,662 I think.
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Posted: Sat Jun 17th, 2006 10:04 pm |
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Bill...I have seen were guns would not close as you mentioned,The problem could be that the lug on these barrels is slightly longer than the originals and interfere with the locking bolt.the bolt is in its rear position not being able to go back any farther.an easy test would be to blacken the face of the lug and see if and at what point there is contact,a slight filing of the lug can ease this interference...I still cannot find that win. 21 /16 on G.A. Don...
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Posted: Sun Jun 18th, 2006 12:14 am |
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| I searched and could not find it either. Obviously someone liked the 2895.00 price tag. I would have if I had a set of barrels in the junk pile.
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Posted: Sun Jun 18th, 2006 01:50 am |
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Bill & Don, This may be the 21 you fellas are looking for in the link below...
Still waiting for Murphy to blow the dust of his Manson gauge so he can get back to us with all the "particulars" on his small-bore burst barrels?
Best, CSL
http://gunshop.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=02858 .Last edited on Sun Jun 18th, 2006 02:52 am by Christopher S. Lien
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Posted: Sun Jun 18th, 2006 07:17 pm |
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| Yup, that's the gun, probably sold it and took the ad off of gunsamerica. Rare gun if it letters with the single trigger, extractors, and that unusual choke combination. I once refused to buy a lettered factory three barrel set with single trigger in 12 gauge because it was an extractor gun. Bad decision. It was probably the only one ever made in that configuration. Chris, I just finished tearing the gun rooms apart and I think I trashed the 16 gauge tubes. They were not identifiable as shotgun barrels after the "sleever" got finished heating them to remove the ribs and lugs. Yes, I still have the original 27" rib and the locking lug and forend lug if someone knows how I can get them back into use as barrels. Kirk Merrington says he will give it a shot, but wants about $2500.00 up front and implies that would only be the first payment. Why is this so much like black magic when thirty years ago, several gunsmiths could do it both here and in the UK?
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Posted: Mon Jun 19th, 2006 02:31 am |
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Bill; Do you remember if those barrels bulged, stetched and opened, or if they just spit out a large chunk?
Best, Austin
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Posted: Mon Jun 19th, 2006 12:13 pm |
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| It was hard to tell because much heat was applied to remove the ribs and lugs. Everywhere the tubes showed a split where the guy removed ribs, the barrel walls were paper thin. So much abuse was heaped on these barrels, the pattern was barely visible.
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Posted: Mon Jun 19th, 2006 08:15 pm |
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Denton Journal, Denton Maryland, December 24, 1898
"Sheriff Rice's fine Parker gun burst while he was shooting partridges on Wednesday last. The powder used was the smokeless kind and thought to be very strong. A large piece of the left barrel was blown off, and Mr. Rice was badly burned about the face."
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Posted: Tue Jun 20th, 2006 12:15 am |
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| Thanks, John, I have friends in Denton, one of whom could use a face full of Damascus. I will check about the name Rice down there and see if they are still around. You are definitely the man for interesting shotgun research.
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