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Dale Zywina
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Posted: Wed May 27th, 2009 12:56 pm |
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| My freind aquired a 11 gauge domascus hammer shot gun made by Cogswell and harrison (i no its not a parker, but) Where can you find the hulls/wads for these odd gauge shotgun, it is awsome. The story on the 11 ga. Poker Parkers started the conversation one day last week, and i went for supper at my freinds house & he pulled out this gun to tease me. Some freind! Thanks for any responces, Dale in Canada.
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Posted: Wed May 27th, 2009 01:09 pm |
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| Many early British breechloading gun were commonly made with 11 gauge barrels but actually have 10 gauge chambers (and 12 bores with 13 gauge barrels as well). The proofmarks would indicate this including variations on the 11 gauge bore size such as "11/3" for instance. (Unlike with Parkers, the British proof system eliminated most "mystery guns")This slight undersizing of the bore allowed for metal to be removed by boring due to the almost inevitable pitting that occured in service I would measure the chambers on this gun before I declared it a true 11 gauge. If indeed it is an true 11 gauge there are no hulls easily available although custom brass cases can be machined. Wads are easy. Circle Fly has all sizes. BTW, Cogswell and Harrison records are available. Perhaps an enquiry would confirm the guns original specifications.
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Posted: Wed May 27th, 2009 03:53 pm |
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| Yup, as always, Don gives great advice and information. Step one, how did you come to the conclusion that the Coggy is an 11 gauge? When you give us the answer to that one, we will reply.
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Posted: Wed May 27th, 2009 05:01 pm |
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11 gauge paper shells by any US manufacturer are one of the Holy Grails to shotshell collectors. I've seen a picture of one.......
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Posted: Wed May 27th, 2009 06:47 pm |
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Dale ... If you find a source for 11 gauge hulls, please let me know where they can be found ... I've got an 11 gauge Parker that I'd love to shoot ... Just for the hell of it.
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Posted: Wed May 27th, 2009 07:35 pm |
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I don't believe there's been anything produced since maybe the early 1900's or even before. The only choice would be to get some brass hulls made.
To tell the truth, I don't believe I've ever even seen a vintage brass one. Won't a 12 gauge shell go in them tight enough to shoot? The difference would be so slight......
Think how hard one of our members looked for 14 gauge hulls. And those have been made in the past 75 years in some quantity. He finally broke down and had some brass made then did locate a few vintage hulls later.
I believe an 11 gauge paper hull by an American maker would bring in the hundreds of dollars. I just recently spoke with one of the leading US shotshell collectors and he said he'd never physically seen one.
I believe a recent Parker Pages had a photo, that's as close as I've come.
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Dale Zywina
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Posted: Wed May 27th, 2009 09:30 pm |
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| Bill, the gauge is known as my friend e-mailed manufacture and recieved a nice reply about all specs, very nice of them. The gun was made in 1864 in 11 ga. straight grip with scroll engraving, and was shipped to Canada that same year to a Senator in the province of Ontario. Dale in Canada
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Posted: Thu May 28th, 2009 01:10 pm |
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| A breech loader Coggie in 1864? From your request for hulls, I presumed it was a breechloader...Is it a pin fire? If this gun is (or was) a muzzle loader 11 gauges are not nearly so rare... Last edited on Thu May 28th, 2009 02:20 pm by Don Kaas
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Posted: Thu May 28th, 2009 02:10 pm |
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| If it really is a breechloading gun, I would guess that C&H gave your freind information on the wrong gun. Send a picture of the gun and we will tell you whether we think it was made in 1864.
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Posted: Thu May 28th, 2009 06:24 pm |
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| Thanks Destry for your reply, we havent tryed 12 ga. hulls in it as my freind hauled it out off the back of gun vault, so it has not seen light of day! Too bad hulls are so scarce it would have been nice to load up some shells for a day of grouse hunting up here in the north, but will ask friend to try a 2 1/2" 12ga. empty hull in the chamber.Dale in Canada
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Posted: Thu May 28th, 2009 06:34 pm |
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| Bill, this gun is very well documented as it was recieved from desendents, the factory letter states the name of the individual who order it(famous Canadian Senator) Gauge,restriction,lenght of barrells,stock design,engraving and price in1864(20 pounds sterling)And it is a breech loader hammer gun with a unique lever that you push up ,that is located on upper tang. As my friend lives in the country will be awhile before I can get you some pictures.Dale in Canada
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Posted: Fri May 29th, 2009 12:30 am |
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| Obviously a very interesting gun. Cogswell and Harrison formed their partnership in 1863. Cogswell had previously taken a licence for Dougall's Lockfast action and in 1864. Harrison patented another breechloading action but neither had a top tang opener, if I recall correctly. C&H was making pinfires in the mid-1860s and the Needham style center fires were coming into vogue. This decade really was the blossoming of "modern" shotgun design.
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David Hamilton
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Posted: Fri May 29th, 2009 12:31 am |
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| We all await the pictures!! David
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