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Doug Helton
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Posted: Fri Apr 10th, 2009 04:32 am |
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I have come in possesion of a nice BHE , 12 ga , 32 bbl's , vent rib, st hand stock , there is a brassard on the case marked WW Sunderland , Dayton , anyone ever heard of Mr. Sunderland
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Bruce Day
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Posted: Fri Apr 10th, 2009 12:11 pm |
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Kevin McCormack did wonderful research and write up in the Double Gun Journal about Lt Archie Sunderland, later Major General, and the rib inscribed Parker bearing his name which was presented to him upon his graduation from West Point . Could this be part of the same family? The Lt Sunderland gun is shown in Vol.II The Parker Story.
Double Gun Journal Vol.6, Issue 2 ( Thanks to Carl Beers for the index to Parker articles in the latest Parker Pages)
The B sounds like a trap shooter's gun. Bill Murphy is a wealth of information on trap shooters and may be able to help. There is some sort of database on the history of trap shooting and lists of top shooters, maybe the ATA?
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Bill Murphy
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Posted: Fri Apr 10th, 2009 04:11 pm |
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| In 1922, WW listed his contact information as the Miami Pope Company, West Carrolton. No indication of where he actually lived. About the time the gun was made, he lived at 1826 South Main, in Dayton. Later, he listed his contact information as Third National Bank Building, Dayton. There is no indication that he was employed by the bank. He shot registered ATA birds apparently from about 1922 into the thirties, but I have not researched when he quit. Assuming he is the first owner of the gun, it didn't do him much good. His mediocre 16 yard averages before he bought the gun went into the cellar through the later twenties into the thirties. His average in 1930 was an anemic .7168 on 950 16 yard birds, a full ten birds under his average the year before the gun was built.
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Posted: Fri Apr 10th, 2009 04:34 pm |
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| I have no information on Mr. Sunderland's ATA career after 1930. I don't remember whether Kevin McCormack followed the Archie Sunderland family into modern times. We should reread his article to see who his sources were in his family research on the Sunderlands.
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Posted: Sat Apr 11th, 2009 03:07 am |
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Bruce , just read the article , cannot connect the two from what was written but thanks for the lead.
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Posted: Sat Apr 11th, 2009 03:13 am |
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Bill , googled WW Sunderland and came up with quite a bit that leads me to believe he may have been and architect . Several mentions of the garden at his estate which would appear to still exist . Interesting , it is defintely a trap gun however some shoemaker has carved a bit slice out of the comb so I am sending it down to Keith Kearcher next week to see what can be done with it as I had some intentions of using it as my back up pigeon gun though it is a little on the light side , 7lbs 14oz, for my taste
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Posted: Sat Apr 11th, 2009 01:12 pm |
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| There is a subdivision in Dayton with streets named "Sunderland" with at least two million dollar or more houses for sale on MLS. This could be the Sunderland property subdivided.
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