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Kurt Densmore Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 21st, 2009 10:37 pm |
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It is a little rough but I hope to help it out a little while in my custody. The interesting part of this is that it is the TPS 5 frame's (in volume II page 574) little brother. The one in the TPS has barrels stamped 8^10 and the one I just acquired is stamped 7^7 with 32" pipes. TPS 5 frame has SN 26019 and mine has SN 26020. I would have assumed that the order numbers may be the same or really close. However, the order # of the TPS gun is 14367 and mine is 15368. Not sure how order numbers were assigned. Oh, it weighs in at 11.8 lbs on my bathroom scale. The barrels are too heavy to weigh on the little digital kitchen scale.
Issues are: non factory extractor, cracked stock, light rust all over, one non factory hammer screw, aluminum butt plate, pitted bbls
Pluses: very nice piece of walnut feathered crotch on the butt stock, ball grip, heavy wrist, tight and on face, I may even shoot it this afternoon.
All in all a pretty interesting gun. Will post some pics when I get a chance.
If anyone has any information on the one in TPS I would be interested in hearing about it. I should probably send for a letter.
Kurt
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Posted: Sat Mar 21st, 2009 10:47 pm |
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Kurt,
Don just had some great luck having a set of 10 gauge tubes polished up inside to clean out the pits. That's the first thing I'd do if I was you. Sounds like a hell of a gun!
Destry
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Posted: Sat Mar 21st, 2009 10:52 pm |
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Nice find Kurt. I imagine you're going to fix her up. There in Grand Rapids you have Master gunsmith Brad Bachelder. He worked on a DH for me that was in bad shape except for the cracked stock. He does great work.
The broken stock I would send to Stock Fixers. They have the stock of my VH 16ga which had four cracks. It's been over six months but they do fantastic work.
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Kurt Densmore Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 22nd, 2009 03:17 am |
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I figured this one would be up your alley Destry. Here are a few pictures of the beast. I should have take a picture beside an 0 frame gun. I already have it torn down and am cleaning it up. The finish strikes me as kind of odd how parts of the gun tarnished more than others. It looks like is has a nickle finsih like an old Colt. But, there are definately case colors present in areas.
Hey, Destry......gotta love it....they put a snipe/woodcock on the bottom of this beast. Go figure....seems like it would have been a goose or duck or buffalo. Maybe it was someones special order snipe swatter...loaded up 1 1/4 oz of 12 shot....







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Posted: Sun Mar 22nd, 2009 04:44 am |
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That buttstock is going to be absolutely stunning when it's cleaned up! Gorgeous. Look forward to seeing the end result...
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Destry Hoffard PGCA Member

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Posted: Sun Mar 22nd, 2009 07:27 am |
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The #3 frame 10 gauge D grade toplever I bought from Don has a little woodcock on the bottom of the frame as well oddly enough.
Looks like most of the stock breakage is in the checkering, that sure makes a repair easier to hide. Should be a good looking gun once you get her fixed up a bit.
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Kurt Densmore Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 23rd, 2009 12:31 am |
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Destry Hoffard wrote: Kurt,
Don just had some great luck having a set of 10 gauge tubes polished up inside to clean out the pits. That's the first thing I'd do if I was you. Sounds like a hell of a gun!
Destry
Per the posts on the board Don was having a hard time finding someone to clean up a 10 bore. Who did he find to do the work??
Kurt
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Don Kaas PGCA Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 23rd, 2009 01:09 am |
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Briley, 3 weeks, $300, .010 removed from both barrels (36" GH D2 #3 frame, 6 lb.)...nice bores, priceless... I visited it today in the Parker stock hospital and dropped off the barrels and a real Silver's pad for its butt. It's headed up in straight grip English walnut so it won't be much longer. PS the hydrocephalic "snipe" is on the bottom of many Grade 2 hammers...Neat gun, Kurt, nice old piece of American black walnut on that bugger. You have your work cut out for you, best of luck. Last edited on Mon Mar 23rd, 2009 01:17 am by Don Kaas
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Posted: Mon Mar 23rd, 2009 12:28 pm |
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Don - Did Briley's lengthen the chambers?
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Posted: Mon Mar 23rd, 2009 01:17 pm |
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No, they did not nor did they alter the .042/.042 choking both at my specific instruction.
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Posted: Wed Mar 25th, 2009 12:36 pm |
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Kurt, bring that beast along to the Lapeer Shoot - I and others would like to see it. Paul
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Austin W Hogan PGCA Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 25th, 2009 01:18 pm |
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That is a lifter made after the introduction of the top action. It has a check hook to stop the barrels on opening, and is longer from breech to hinge pin, giving more leverage to open the gun.
Grade 2 Parkers in the 23000 - 30000? range have the best engraving of all G grades. Be very careful in cleaning the locks and frame, as that engraving is not deep. It also appears to vary from gun to gun, although the pattern remains the same. Some have a woodcock in the circle on the frame, some have waterfowl. There are several paragraphs on the variation of the grade 2 in "Collecting Popular Parkers" in DGJ a couple of years ago.
I have a 9 plus pound , 30 inch 10 on a two frame, that has been fitted with Briley 20 ga tubes. The tubes have essentially no influence on the weight and balance of that big a gun. I shoot it regularly at skeet and five stand, and it is really a joy. The lifter action is really handy in operation. The great surprise is how nimble a well balanced 9 plus pound gun can be. I shoot skeet with it with the butt against my belt on the call. When you master the double on station two it becomes the most rewarding shot in any clay game. I have yet to shoot a clean round from a low gun, but have come very close several times; low eight is tough, but 3,4,5 are a cinch.
I would recommend cleaning the frame with Hoppes on a patch, followed by a coat of RIG. Repeat this a few times and surface stains will be removed without rounding the engraving.
Best, Austin
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Posted: Wed Mar 25th, 2009 02:46 pm |
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The pictures in DGJ were much better, but these should convey the idea; first 23150, before long frame and check hook, two woodcock on right lock, no cross pin through front of frame, one notch in locking lump. Attached Image (viewed 197 times):

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Posted: Wed Mar 25th, 2009 02:49 pm |
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Left side of 23150; left lock pheasants. Attached Image (viewed 202 times):

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Posted: Wed Mar 25th, 2009 02:55 pm |
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Check hook lifter, 24 590 with longer frame, two notches in locking lump(lug), cross pin to catch locking hook through frame. Note also that a small screw, to retain the top action type straight firing pin occupies part of the breech ball engraving.
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Posted: Wed Mar 25th, 2009 04:41 pm |
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Austin, At what time period did the lock screw move behind the hammers?
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Posted: Thu Mar 26th, 2009 01:56 am |
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Paul, It is in pieces and I just dropped off the barrel (extractor) and the one good hammer screw at a local gunsmith that is a great machinist. I will give him a chance to make me what is needed. The extractor rim has not been machined very well and the head of the shotshell does not seat properly causing the gun to close very hard and not open very easily, I could bring the action and lock plates with hammers. What suprises me is that the end of barrels are no more meaty than the 3 frame hammerless 32" barrels that I have. I have see some heavy barrel SxS guns with some massive barrel wall thickness at the muzzel.
Austin, What so you know about its big brother pictured in TPS? Looking at the serialization book it also is supposed to have 32" bores. I wonder if they were both filed down to similar weights? Thanks for posting pics of a couple hammer lifters. I really like the later lifters with more engraving on the lock plates even thoug it really isn't very deep. I had an earlier version liftergrade 2 in 10ga on a 3 frame with 34" laminated barrels that was a joy to shoot at Sporting clays. It is amazing how a balanced gun at nearly 10lbs and 34" barrels can swing. I shot some of my best SC scores with that gun. I should not have sold it. Someone bought it as a mantle piece gun for their cabin up to Traverse City.
Dave, I believe the screw went behind the hammers only on the top levers. Is sure is a lot easier to remove the locks without taking the hammer off first.
Kurt
Last edited on Thu Mar 26th, 2009 02:04 am by Kurt Densmore
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Posted: Thu Mar 26th, 2009 02:52 am |
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The short actions have articulated firing pins; the long actions have the check hook and the top action firing pins which need the retaining screw. Turnover was somewhere around s/n 24000.
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Posted: Fri Mar 27th, 2009 02:52 am |
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barrels next to an 0 frame 20 ga VH, 2^15 stamped bbls on the 20

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