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Brian Dillard
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Posted: Sat Mar 28th, 2009 12:51 am |
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Loren:
What a great looking gun!! Looks like a great purchase.
Why on the bbl tables are some marked "overload Parker Brothers proved" and others there's nothing. Was that just a mark that came in later years?? If so what year did that begin??
Brian
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Bruce Day
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Posted: Sat Mar 28th, 2009 12:55 am |
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Loren, your CHE is a very typical 1910 C, that is, it is an outstanding gun with great wood and very fine execution. There is something about these SN 15xxxx guns. They are just very well done. I like Parkers of all years, but there is just something about these guns made from about 1905 to around 1918 and 1910 is in the heart of it. Yours is in particularly nice condition. I hope you shoot it and not just leave it in the gun safe. Take it hunting in good conditions....it deserves it.
Here is a 1910 gun with wood that closely matches yours...never mind the outwardly curved skeleton butt, that is unique in Parkerdom, but the wood is a close match. This butt is a B , so you can see you got particularly fine Circassian walnut on your C, every bit the equal of higher grade wood.
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Posted: Sat Mar 28th, 2009 01:34 am |
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Brian Dillard wrote:
Why on the bbl tables are some marked "overload Parker Brothers proved" and others there's nothing. Was that just a mark that came in later years?? If so what year did that begin??
Ans: about 1928, see TPS.
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Bob Brown
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Posted: Sat Mar 28th, 2009 03:54 am |
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| Beautiful gun, Loren Your 12 ga. CHE with 30" Acme steel barrels was one of 184 made in that length and steel type. As you probably know it is a 2 frame and the unstruck barrel weight is 4 lbs 2 oz. To find out where and to who it was sold to you would likely have to get a factory letter.
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Posted: Sat Mar 28th, 2009 02:02 pm |
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| Bob, is that 184 CHE's made in total with an Acme steel bbl and 30" length or just 184 made that year??
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Loren Chaplin
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Posted: Sat Mar 28th, 2009 05:26 pm |
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Thanks for the responses guys. Can anyone tell me if Parker supplied their guns with cases? I got this one with a 'leg-o-mutton' style leather case. There is nothing on the case at this point to suggest it is a Parker item, but there is a spot on the outside where some sort of metal badge or medallion once was (can still see the two prong holes where it was clipped to the case.) The case is in need of some restitching to the top, but is otherwise in decent condition if it is indeed as old as the gun.
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Bob Brown
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Posted: Sat Mar 28th, 2009 05:58 pm |
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Brian, according to TPS there were a total of 184 12 gauge, 30" Acme steel barrel CH(E)s made. It was the most common gauge/barrel length. There were 697 made with Acme steel in all gauges/barrel lengths.
The CH grade was also made with Titanic Steel barrels. Out of a total of 446 Titanic steel barrels there were 269 made in the 12 gauge 30" configuration. There were two made in Vulcan steel, both in 12 gauge 30". The other 528 C grade hammerless were made with either Bernard or damascus steel. I don't see it broken down by year.
I'll let the experts comment on the case.
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Posted: Sat Mar 28th, 2009 06:34 pm |
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Loren, I don't want anybody to consider me an expert, but I might be able to answer your question.
In the hammer gun days, PArker supplied some guns with black walnut luggage cases fitted with shells, loaders, etc. Those were Parker marked.
Beyond that period, there are no known PArker marked cases. Parker dealers sold Reh Head and other brand cases along with new guns, and it sounds like you have a Red Head LOM case. There are a number of cases that are period correct, and if you go back through those threads, you will find discussion and photos of them.
There are some Parker trade labels in cases which may or may not be correct. I've seen two styles that I think are likely to be correct. Bill Murphy doubts the correctness of any of them. So there you have it. The best you can do is to get a nice period correct case and let it go at that. If you really need photos of appropriate cases, let me know. That can be a whole other collecting area. Then a person can get into Parker reloading tools, and period cleaning rods, like BGIC and the C M Powers. Do I understand correctly that Eric Eis now owns the Powers Parker?
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Loren Chaplin
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Posted: Sat Mar 28th, 2009 09:39 pm |
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Thanks Bruce!...I found a 'Red Head' label inside the case, so looks like you were right on with that possibility. with a little TLC, the case can be restored to servicable, although I wouldn't carry the gun in it at this point due to possibility of the pieces banging together, but knowing it may at least be 'period correct' will keep it with the gun for the benefit of 'the next owner' who may want to restore it to new condition.
So as I understand by Bob's post, this gun was made in 1910, and is one of a total of 184 CHE's built with ACME steel barrels?
Common sense would suggest that I should have explored all these things before acquisition, but at least I am beginning to feel a little better about my acquisition outlay. My only other 'Parker' exposure is a 1902 vintage VH model, so I know have one each at the bottom end and middle of the spectrum. The only problem now is getting one at the top end of the scale to complete the set!!!! Just like buying a boat! Next year a guy always wants one a couple feet longer!
With my competing gun interests however, I fear I may likely end up moving these on to someone already more entrenched in the Parker genre.
Again guys, thanks for the help and research
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Posted: Sat Mar 28th, 2009 09:56 pm |
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Loren, it is one of 184 CH's made with 30" Acme barrels in 12 gauge. For fluid steel there were a total of 697 made with Acme barrels, 446 with Titanic barrels, and 2 with Vulcan barrels. For composite steel there were 126 with damascus barrels, and 402 made with Bernard barrels. That doesn't include the C grade hammer guns.
The serialization book has 158920 as being made in 1912.
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