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Matt Wilson
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Posted: Mon Nov 28th, 2005 09:31 pm |
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| Hello, Just found this sight. Wow, very intresting. I just got back into quail hunting and decided I wanted to do it with a classy double. Have one on the hook, and wondering if it will be a good shooter. It is a T Parker, newyork , 12 ga. double with hammers. It looks clean alittle pitting in one bore. The guy says hes shot pigeons with it and its a good shooter. What can you guys tell me? Is this a different Parker from what you all collect. I am green as grass to all this so any help will be great! Thanks Matt Last edited on Mon Nov 28th, 2005 09:32 pm by Matt Wilson
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Harry Collins
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Posted: Mon Nov 28th, 2005 10:23 pm |
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Mat,
Welcome to our board. What ever you find about your gun, please keep coming back. Does not sound like a Parker Brothers shotgun From Meridian Conn., however. A picture paints a thousand words. Could you post some pictures and the serial number? Does it have Damascus, Twist or steel barrels? Some of the knock off guns using the Parker name may be suspect to shoot! We will help all we can.
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Dave Noreen
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Posted: Mon Nov 28th, 2005 10:26 pm |
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T Barker was a name slapped on cheap Belgian imports from the 1880s to WW-I time in an attempt to fool the consumer into thinking he or she was getting a Parker Bros. gun, the subject of this site. Other names often seen on these guns were Sam Holt to confuse one with Colt, and W. Richards to confuse one with the fine English firm of Westley Richards.
Here is what Forest & Stream had to say in 1889 --
"...but the mean grade gun of no name. "W. Richards," that nonentity in the gun trade, was stamped on the plate, but they were really only those cheap bits of ordnance which come through our custom houses, pay a duty of 40 per cent., and yet may be placed on the counters of the gun shop at $5 a piece. The Forest and Stream has already in past times expressed its opinion about these pestiferous products of the penurious population clustered on Belgian soil."
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Matt Wilson
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Posted: Mon Nov 28th, 2005 10:33 pm |
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| Thanks for the replys . I have not bought the gun yet and am researching it. I beleive you are right about it not being a parker bros. Though I am amazed at all your shotgun knowledge!! Just what I need another addiction. Anyways it says Genuine Armor Steel on the barrel,? Sound sound to shoot with low base shells? I know thats not alot of info, Once again thanks for the education Matt
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Harry Collins
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Posted: Tue Nov 29th, 2005 12:34 am |
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Matt,
On the information presented, I would not shoot this gun! If you have "the bound too's and can't help it's" (which all of us have had) there are ways to use this gun. I doubt if anything you do with this piece would "amortize out".
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Posted: Tue Nov 29th, 2005 01:22 am |
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Matt,
I suspect the price of the T. Parker is the most attractive thing about it. Hang on to your money, keep looking, add a little money to your pile from time to time and keep on reading the posts here while you educate yourself about what kind of Parker Bros. gun you gan get for a particular amount of money on sites like GunsAmerica.com
Then make an educated purchase and you will probably not be disappointed.
Good luck!
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Matt Wilson
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Posted: Tue Nov 29th, 2005 01:34 am |
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Thankyou to all for your responses. I do have my drethers about the gun, but mostly safety concerns. I am uneducated about the barrel strengths. The gun does appear to be a well made shooter. Respectfully asking why your reasons are for not shooting this gun and why it may be a dissapointment. Yes price is a concern. I have champane taste and rot gut whiskey funds. One day do plan to have a ellegent gun. but for now ? AThankyou again. Matt
Also I did find a parker bros. 12 ga with damascuss barrels. Looks real clean, but what about the damscuss?Last edited on Tue Nov 29th, 2005 01:49 am by Matt Wilson
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Posted: Tue Nov 29th, 2005 02:10 am |
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Matt,
Just about any vintage shotgun you anticipate buying should come with a minimum 3-day inspection period so you can get it to a qualified gunsmith who will be able to render a qualified opinion as to safety/shootability. Twist and Damascus barreled guns (even Parker Bros. ) are subject to pitting, flaws or occulusions between the wires or strips of steel and iron of the barrels and even obscured damage that may have been done a half-century or more ago by some uneducated shooter.
We are learning more and more about the relative strength of Damascus vs. fluid steel barrels but it is still better to be safe than sorry, to say nothing of a poor investment gone from bad to worse because it "looked okay."
Dean
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Posted: Tue Nov 29th, 2005 02:22 am |
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| By the way Matt, I suffer from the same "Champaign taste" dilemma and I don't want to pry but just about how high are your "rot gut whiskey" funds? What is the upper end of your budget, if you don't mind my asking? Maybe someone here can direct you to a more favorable investment.
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Posted: Tue Nov 29th, 2005 01:25 pm |
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| Pure junk - stay away from it unless you want it for a wallhanger. It epitomizes the term "JABC" (just another Belgian clunker") in the highest possible candor. I would rather hold a grenade in my teeth and pull the pin than risk shooting one of these things (and there are many out there). Dean and others are right - save your money for a decent (and genuine) Parker Gun. KBM
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Posted: Tue Nov 29th, 2005 02:06 pm |
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I'm aware that people have recently bought very respectible Trojan or VH 12ga guns for anywhere from $1400-2000, that need a little TLC, usually a stock refinish , but are sound guns useful for another lifetime or two. A Ruger O/U costs that. I'd avoid Damascus or Twist for a first Parker and until you have read enough to be selective.
These Damascus guns that are available at less than $1000 today are seldom good deals unless you really get lucky. Chances are they have already been passed over by people who know.
I suggest you join the PGCA, get a book( Muderlak's is the most economical for a first timer) on Parkers, read up, talk up, find a good member close to you and ask for advise, and buy when the right gun comes up. And avoid these JABC guns like the plague. If you find a good gun at what appears to be a reasonable price, ask about it here. I can't conceive that another member would try to get it first once you have asked for advice. Not long ago, I was mentioning to members that I had found a nice gun for sale( not mine) and was telling others in order to avoid situations where a newbie gets a junk gun and tries to rescue it at great cost and uncertain result.
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Posted: Thu Dec 1st, 2005 02:30 am |
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| Turns out it seems to be a T. Barker. Doubt that makes any difference seeing it isnt a real Parker. What do you look for in a shotgun to know it is quality? Thanks Matt
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Posted: Thu Dec 1st, 2005 07:48 am |
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According to an article by John M. Taylor on Briley's website ("Grandpa's Shotgun: More Than Sentimental Value?") T.Barker shotguns were produced by Crescent for Sears.
Jim
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Posted: Thu Dec 1st, 2005 12:41 pm |
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| Thanks. Do you have any more info on who crescent was?
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Posted: Thu Dec 1st, 2005 01:32 pm |
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| The Crescent Gun Company experts post on the gunshop.com bulletin board. Most Crescent Guns in good condition are safe to shoot with light loads but are not a particularly good investment. I will try to purchase a servicable Parker Brothers shotgun this week for a "Crescent" price, just to see whether it can be done.
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Posted: Thu Dec 1st, 2005 02:17 pm |
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What do you look for in a shotgun to know that it is quality?
Ans: The Parker name on a good condition gun is a good start. There are other good guns, The A H Fox guns are good, a Fox Sterlingworth can be not too costly, an L C Smith can be good, the Win 21s are great( but expensive). all good American doubles. We like Parkers here. If you are on a tight budget, I would keep looking for a VH or Trojan in 12 ga , and don't be in a hurry. First I would join the PGCA and start letting your needs be known.
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Posted: Thu Dec 1st, 2005 06:06 pm |
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| Thanks to all for your knowledge and intelligent responses. Is there a place on this web sight to learn about shotguns, The basics about chokes. barrel lengths, etc.... ? Or should I start a new topic? Matt
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Posted: Thu Dec 1st, 2005 06:21 pm |
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Bill, let me know if you are successful, and if so, how you did it! I call "next"!
Jim
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Posted: Wed Oct 1st, 2008 10:26 pm |
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hi there, I'm new to this forum and I am trying to check the validity on a Parker shotgun. this is the serial number is 33092. Let me know what you think, barrel and stock match with numbers. Thanks.
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Posted: Wed Oct 1st, 2008 11:01 pm |
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You posted this on a thread about T. Parker shotguns which have nothing to do with the Parker Brothers gun company that we deal with on this message board. Is your gun a Parker Brothers or a T. Parker gun?
Destry
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