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Alan Webber
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Posted: Fri Dec 1st, 2006 04:32 pm |
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Lou,
Too late. I had it case hardened and you are right, the engraving is harder to see especially on a small frame 20. You're probably right french grey would have been better. I have a d grade 12 I shoot all the time and all the color is gone. It's like a mirror and you can easily see all the engraving. It'll take about 10 years for the 20 to be like that, I'm sure.
Alan
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B.P.Lasley
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Posted: Fri Dec 1st, 2006 08:17 pm |
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Don--
Sounds like a beauty. Mine is an 1899 with 28" Damascus barrels choked IC and Mod. I have some Kent (paper hull) TM #5 2 1/2" shotshells on the way, and am dreaming of grey skies, whistling wings, and the distinct report of my old double gun as I revive it once again to start off it's 107th season...
...the stories it could tell
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Eric Eis
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Posted: Sat Dec 2nd, 2006 12:30 pm |
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| B.P where did you find the paper hull TM shells?
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Jeff Grobe
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Posted: Mon Dec 4th, 2006 03:50 am |
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Greg,
I'm relatively new, but you must drink alot! My 28 Repro in Q1/Q2 ( 2nd barrel in m/f) is a fast as it gets on pointed quail or pheasant.... and I really like the extra range and the m/f barrels give me on late season true wild pheasants! The Repros are lighter, tighter, and (personal opinon) better looking. I have a friend looking for one, I assume yours is available.......what price?
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gournet
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Posted: Mon Dec 4th, 2006 11:34 am |
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| No doubt than a repro is tighter, better steel, lighter, better machining. Better look than an original, that is another story. Pepro have no patina and the factory engraving is limited to maybe for pattern. The old one are a defy to time. The new one are the proof than the design was great enough to be remember.
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Dean Romig
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Posted: Mon Dec 4th, 2006 02:18 pm |
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Agreed Goeffroy, The intrinsic value of the Parker Gun; the provenance of a particular Parker, whether it be of fame or obscurity- The endurance of form and function- all want to be copied- reproduced as a monument to the original-
Mimicry is the highest form of flattery. The Repros may have been made better, but. .
Dean
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gournet
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Posted: Mon Dec 4th, 2006 03:22 pm |
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Of course the repro is better. If Ford where producing Model T or A nowdays, with CNC and laser , legally I guess it would be an original, would it be in your heart an original too ?
Colt have the honesty to call the modern making of old model "2nd or 3rd generation".
It is why an old Anson and Deeley for me is more valuable than a modern one.
You know what I think for Parker.
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B.P.Lasley
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Posted: Mon Dec 4th, 2006 08:35 pm |
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Eric,
Ordered them from some outfit ONLINE. Don't remember the name rightoff. They were selling them for $40 per box, which isn't too bad considering they won't be making anymore anytime soon.
Brian
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Jeff Grobe
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Posted: Mon Dec 4th, 2006 11:53 pm |
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| Repros vs Originals ---- they are two different animals, related very closely. One is not "better" than the other, just different and both beautiful in their own right. Beauty is in the eye (and pocketbook) of the beholder. The Orignals have their place in history and so do the Repros. Kinda of like my wife, I wish she looked like she did 34 years ago, but wouldn't trade her for anything.
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Richard Flanders
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Posted: Tue Dec 5th, 2006 12:41 am |
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Ok Jeff, we want to hear from your wife now... 
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George Wolf
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Posted: Tue Dec 5th, 2006 02:02 pm |
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I have to pipe up and agree with Geoffery - the Repro's are as high a tribute to the original design as can be made. That the design was so outstanding that it was copied almost perfectly is about all that can be said - they were done right. Period.
I have the pleasure of owning 5 Repro's (which is enough, although there are always more!), I hope to expand into the non-Repro's as money and time permits. However, those additions will be as collectors pieces, not shooters. The Repros will remain my shooters, including the A1 special which is a beautiful gun that fits me superbly (OK - when you spend that much it fits or else).
I wish sometimes that more members of the PGCA would accept the Repro as more than some Japanese copy (and a further thought, is the new Parker any different?). I have a 1959 plane, but I still have GPS in the panel with all the other 'toys'. Does that upgrade violate the sancitiy of the original deisgn or purity of it? No, I don't think so, nor would I fly the original panel.
I view the Repro in the same way - it is original in design, updated to reflect what new materials and technologies can do.
I'll go home with my soapbox now
Merry Christmass to all, and a Happy New Year to all!
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Bill Murphy
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Posted: Tue Dec 5th, 2006 02:52 pm |
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| George, PGCA members do, as a rule, accept the Repro as a wonderful gun and not just a Japanese copy. However, PGCA does not accept them as allowable guns to use in the annual L.C.Smith versus Parker competition. The "new Parker", even though not an original, is marketed by Remington and made in the USA, so I assume we are to think of it as an extension of the original production, unlike the Repro. I only own one Repro but I think it is a great gun, especially in the 28 and .410. No original 28 gauge that I have owned or weighed has been as light and lively as my Repro, even though my Repro has a beavertail forend.
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George Wolf
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Posted: Wed Dec 6th, 2006 12:43 pm |
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| Thanks Bill - I was a little defensive. You are correct, and perhaps I'm a bit uptight about it.
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Bruce Day
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Posted: Thu Dec 7th, 2006 04:29 pm |
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It was the rules formulated by the LC Smith Asso. and PGCA working committee for the Southern / Challenge, not necessarily by the PGCA...the L C Smith organization does not have a reproduction, so you see how that resulted to be fair. You can shoot a Repro in the Southern SxS Championship, just not in the Challenge . Lots of PGCA members have Repros. We have had repros featured in the Parker Pages and invite further articles about them. George....how's your writing?
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