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Kurt Densmore
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Posted: Tue May 26th, 2009 01:06 am |
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I have been looking online and the only one I have found that isn't plastic is from Galazan and they are $70.
NECG only sells the threaded ones.
Lyman and Marbles seem to be plastic....ivory-like per the description...
Is anyone aware of a nice ivory press fit front bead that is available for a reasonable price????
I don't want to spend $70 on a bead that may fall out again. This was the first Sporting Clays excursion with this gun and it fell out at the last station I believe....bummer for sure.
BTW it fell off a DHE 12ga with damascus bbls and SST made in 1927...Stock book is missing but it looks as though it left Meriden with two options, and probably double ivory beads. Damascus bbls have the Parker Overload Proof.
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Posted: Tue May 26th, 2009 01:17 am |
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| Kurt,Have you tried Brownells?
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Posted: Tue May 26th, 2009 01:19 am |
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| Kurt, Brownells has a threaded 4 or 5mm ivory bead for $13. I would think you could file it down to a press fit and epoxy.
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Kurt Densmore
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Posted: Tue May 26th, 2009 12:00 pm |
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The threaded one that Brownell's sells is the NECG and the diameter of the threads are smaller than the existing hole in the rib. I may have to get that one and glue it in place. I was hoping to find a press fit.
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Posted: Tue May 26th, 2009 01:37 pm |
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| I never realized how these things actually work, but I recently got the impression that the metal insert gets pressed into the hole in the rib and the bead gets pressed or glued into the insert. I am not sure of the order of insertion but am getting the impression that the bead itself is not always pressed directly into the rib. Last edited on Tue May 26th, 2009 06:55 pm by Bill Murphy
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Kurt Densmore
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Posted: Tue May 26th, 2009 06:38 pm |
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Yea Bill, it is a bead glued into a metal sleeve that has a taper on the outside which is pressed into a tapered hole in the rib. The tapered hole in the rib is formed be drilling a hole and then using a tapered reamer. I could buy one of the lyman beads and drill it out and glue in a threaded ivory bead.
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Posted: Wed May 27th, 2009 01:01 am |
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Kurt,
Remember a shotgun is pointed not aimed, therefor the bead is unnecessary .
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Kurt Densmore
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Posted: Wed May 27th, 2009 01:32 am |
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RICHARD L ANDERSON wrote: Kurt,
Remember a shotgun is pointed not aimed, therefor the bead is unnecessary.
I would have to agree with that bit of unhelpful information, however those damascus bbls look really nice with double ivory beads. Also, remember to keep both eyes open, your cheek on the stock and swing through the target !!...... 
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Posted: Wed May 27th, 2009 02:33 am |
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| Interesting Parker Kurt, in that it is a later Damascus gun. What is the year of production? And what guage is it? Judging by the engraving style and the post-1917 safety slide and the filed-off lip of the forend tip it looks to be very late teens or early twenties?? Last edited on Wed May 27th, 2009 02:35 am by Dean Romig
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Posted: Wed May 27th, 2009 02:52 am |
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Dean Romig wrote: Interesting Parker Kurt, in that it is a later Damascus gun. What is the year of production? And what guage is it? Judging by the engraving style and the post-1917 safety slide and the filed-off lip of the forend tip it looks to be very late teens or early twenties??
Yes it is Dean,
DHE 12 gauge, SN222845, mfg 1927, 28” Damascus Steel, M/IM, Capped pistol grip, splinter forend, 2 5/8” chambers, barrels stamped 3^8, 1 ½ frame, LOP 14”, DAC 1 5/8”, DAH 2 3/8”, 7 lbs 1 oz, with Parker Overload Proofs, it is a dandy...
Too bad the stock book is missing... And, it is later mfg. by several years than the existing latest known grade 3 damascus in the parker pages.
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Posted: Wed May 27th, 2009 09:57 am |
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| Wow! Even later than I dared to guess at. Very interesting indeed.
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Posted: Wed May 27th, 2009 01:02 pm |
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Think how nice it would be if it had the ivory bead .
This is indeed a late damascuss gun. I have a DHE 20 #222223 thats fluid steel which dates to 1927 also so it would be my guess that this has to be one of the last of the damascuss guns made. Ordered with sst and ejectors it's a very nice gun.
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Posted: Wed May 27th, 2009 01:49 pm |
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RICHARD L ANDERSON wrote: Think how nice it would be if it had the ivory bead .
This is indeed a late damascuss gun. I have a DHE 20 #222223 thats fluid steel which dates to 1927 also so it would be my guess that this has to be one of the last of the damascuss guns made. Ordered with sst and ejectors it's a very nice gun.
Yea Rich, keep rubbing it in....
It may have also been ordered with double ivory beads and silvers pad...
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Posted: Wed May 27th, 2009 02:31 pm |
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Kurt, if you do choose to 'glue' the ivory bead in, remember that all the superglue type adhesives are heat sensitive. We went through all this on a previous thread. I just dug out my sticky with the note I made on which Loctite product is rated for the highest heat. It's a bearing retaining compound, Loctite #609, rated at 300degF which would obviously be more than sufficient. #498 is rated at 223deg, #430 at 180deg. Glad I kept that sticky all this time....
Gorgeous gun by the way. Damascus with overload proof? What more could one ask for!? Gorgeous wood. Nice find. Hope I get to see it next fall.
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Posted: Wed May 27th, 2009 02:57 pm |
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Richard Flanders wrote: Kurt, if you do choose to 'glue' the ivory bead in, remember that all the superglue type adhesives are heat sensitive. We went through all this on a previous thread. I just dug out my sticky with the note I made on which Loctite product is rated for the highest heat. It's a bearing retaining compound, Loctite #609, rated at 300degF which would obviously be more than sufficient. #498 is rated at 223deg, #430 at 180deg. Glad I kept that sticky all this time....
Gorgeous gun by the way. Damascus with overload proof? What more could one ask for!? Gorgeous wood. Nice find. Hope I get to see it next fall.
I also hope to get out again this fall with you and the rest of the boys, I had a great time...I sure am jealous of your spring ptarmigan excursions. I may have to try that sometime...
Thanks for the info Richard, I was just looking at the Titebond CA glue in the woodcraft weekly flyer that claims a service temperature of -65 F to +200 F.........do you think that this would be sufficient for this application (I am not really sure what the bbl temp reaches, much more with BP than nitro)?? I ran out of the Satellite city CA glue last fall and need to pick up some more. I may try this stuff out.
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Posted: Wed May 27th, 2009 08:02 pm |
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That would likely do except for continuous clays shooting, which seems a likelyhood. I'd get the Loctite stuff as it's available in 1-2 oz bottles for a few bucks. You wouldn't want to go to that much work then lose it again. No one makes more varieties or better CA adhesives than Loctite.
I've been thinking fondly of that ptarmigan hunting as it hit near 80deg the past few days.
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Posted: Wed May 27th, 2009 09:02 pm |
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Kurt I have some Ivory (Warthog tusks) if you would have a way of making one.
A nice gun deserves a ivory bead. If you decide to buy one let me know as I need to rid my DHE 12 of that glow-in-the-dark red bead.
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Posted: Thu May 28th, 2009 01:55 pm |
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Richard has a point/idea. If I needed an ivory bead I would chuck a piece of moose leg bone, which is incredibly dense and tough and indistinguishable from ivory, into a drill and turn one using small files to shape it. Either that or my miniature watchmakers lathe. I can tell you I'd get one made that would look absolutely correct. I have lots of bone that I use for fiddle/guitar/mandolin nuts to practice on.
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Posted: Thu May 28th, 2009 03:02 pm |
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RICHARD L ANDERSON wrote: Kurt I have some Ivory (Warthog tusks) if you would have a way of making one.
A nice gun deserves a ivory bead. If you decide to buy one let me know as I need to rid my DHE 12 of that glow-in-the-dark red bead.
That red bead isn't an original Lyman is it?
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Posted: Thu May 28th, 2009 06:30 pm |
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| From Brownells-" Black Max" - it's a Loctite super glue made for glueing on ribs and sights. Also works for shims on hinge pins. I wouldn't worry about high temps. Paul
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