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Posted: Sat May 23rd, 2009 05:10 pm |
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| There is alot of guns advertisied as pigeon guns out there, if it has a straight stock and no safety. Therefore heres my ? I have a DHE 12 ga. 30" barrells,choked full/full, the stock is a straight grip LOP 14 1/2", DAC 1 1/2", DAH 2 1/8", no safety, with a overall weight of 7 pounds 12 ounces, 4 LB. trigger pull and targeted with 3 1/4 drams of Dupont powder, 1 1/8 ounces of #4 shot. SPECS. OF STOCK ARE 1 3/4 pitch,cast off1/4" at heel and 3/8" at toe, medium thick comb.This is chambered for 2 3/4" shells, and the recoil pad is a black plastic(bakelite?) with horizontal lines 3/4 up from heel? This doesn't add up as I have not seen this pattern on any DH or DHE, please help.Dale Zywina in Thunder Bay Ontario Canada. PS the PGCA letter did not indicate type of pad,this is original to the gun though.
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George Lander
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Posted: Sat May 23rd, 2009 08:58 pm |
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Dale: The butt on a DHE should either be checkered or skeleton. I don't believe that you could even order on with a DHBP. However, Parker guns, especially in the higher grades, were made to order and almost any configuration could be had. Did the letter tell you who it was made for or shipped to? Research on that name should give you a better idea.
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Posted: Sun May 24th, 2009 12:06 am |
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| George, thanks for responce,the butt plate is original to the gun, as length of pull is exact as the PGCA letter states lenght of pull, also removed butt plate and no extra holes and the screws are proper. I just know this is an unmelested gun.The letter states that the gun was sent to Ashdown Hardware Co. in Winnepeg Manitoba in 1911. The sad thing is they went out of buisness in 1971, my only hope is that the Manitoba Archives has some of the company records with a firearms ledger.Im going out to Winnepeg hopefully next year,so it will be a while to see if I can find out who purchased this 125$ gun in 1911. PS ser.#156359 hope this will help anwser some ?
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Posted: Sun May 24th, 2009 12:42 am |
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First zywina, Dale, please read the first post on this forum which tells you how to properly register.
Second, you seem to know more than the vast majority of Parker collectors on what is an original Parker butt plate. DH's had as standard a skeleton steel butt plate, a rubber recoil pad or a checkered butt were also an option occasionally seen. A dog's head butt plate could also be ordered but why go down to a configuration of a lower grade? It's not impossible that your's is original but highly doubtful. Post pictures both straight on and from the side.
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Destry Hoffard
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Posted: Sun May 24th, 2009 01:07 am |
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It might be a restock as well, hence the same length of pull. Parker guns with buttplates had Parker buttplates on them, they didn't use anything generic like you describe except on Trojan models. Or maybe it had dogs head plate on it originally, that got broken, and they found a generic one with the same hole configuration.
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Dale Zywina
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Posted: Sun May 24th, 2009 02:23 am |
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| Chuck you maybe right, but the fellow I bought it from had it for 70 years in his family and was in this configuration for those 70 years.Sorry about log in protocal, I was logged in then my computer kicked me out.I don't know how to down load photos yet as im new to this.I will post pics when I know how.
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Posted: Sun May 24th, 2009 12:54 pm |
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A DHE would have had a SSBP unless the order requested a pad or no butt plate. If the order book says no butt plate, the butt is checkered. In most cases the gun is altered after it left the factory. I have been asked many times if I have seen a dogs head butt plate request in the order books and I have not. I suspect Parker would have done it but it would have been like ordering a Cadillac with a Chevy interior.
Research letters with order book entries will indicate if a pad is requested or no butt plate. Letters with stock book information only will not indicate a pad as that information is not on the stock book copy that we have. The stock book copy we have is the left side of the page and the information on the far right side of the original stock book is not there.
TPS Vol. II has several copies of stock books. The examples are in the back of the book. There is an example of the old and new version.
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Posted: Sun May 24th, 2009 01:19 pm |
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I think I remember some entries that included "his pad" , " shape butt his sketch", etc. The customer was always right when ordering the $100 gun.
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Dale Zywina
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Posted: Sun May 24th, 2009 01:41 pm |
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| To Mark Conrad, I appreciated your quick responce to my Request for my PGCA letter,but it did not contain type of butt plate.Is this info. available, as I did not understand your reponce (my fault) about butt plate for ser.#156359 any additional info. would be gratefully appreciated.Sincerly Dale in CANADA
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Posted: Sun May 24th, 2009 10:24 pm |
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| All original appearing dogs head buttplates on D Grade guns that I have seen have been on later guns that do not have corresponding order book provenance. Too bad.
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Posted: Sun May 24th, 2009 10:34 pm |
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The gun came standard with a SSBP. So, if a pad was ordered or the order indicates no butt plate I will put that in the letter. If there are no options, I do not indicate in the letter the gun was fitted with the standard butt plate.
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Posted: Mon May 25th, 2009 12:55 am |
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| Dale, you can probably clear this all up if you'd just post pictures of the butt plate, both straight on and side view.
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Posted: Mon May 25th, 2009 11:05 am |
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Chuck, sorry camera out of action(battery problems) any way I went and pulled the gun out of the safe,and pulled off the buttplate. There are only 2 holes 2 3/4" approx. C/C, The first hole is 5/8 from top of butt.I made a big goof! the buttplate patern is nicely checked just below top screw all the way to heel, perfectly fitted(as I proffesionally fitt buttpads for a living, this is top quality work) There are absent, the 2 middle screw holes under buttpad,how long were these 2 screws? I checked under triggerguard, hatted removing as never been removed since leaving factory. The serial # was stamped the same as on the metal trigger guard tang, wich matches forend #.I wish I could post pics right now, but will when camera is up & running. Appreciate all the responces, as this is my first Parker and I am now an addict.Sincerly Dale in CANADA
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