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Ron Thompson
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Posted: Tue May 12th, 2009 10:02 pm |
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| There must be a trick to reassembling the cocking slide while keeping the trip spring and plunger in place against the trip. The spring does not appear to fit over the pin on the trip and it seems impossible to balance the spring and plunger against the plunger while positioning the cocking slide. What is the trick or what am I doing wrong? Last edited on Tue May 12th, 2009 11:10 pm by Ron Thompson
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Posted: Wed May 13th, 2009 02:50 am |
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Ron, it's hard to tell from your description where the problem lies. If you can take a pic of how you're trying to place the parts we might can redirect you. I can tell you that the rounded tip of the trip plunger rides against the cocking slide, and since it is spring loaded it will keep the cocking slide "pushed up" until you put the floorplate in place and tap it home. So, when you put the slide in place you hook the front end of it over the cocking hook and the trip spring will have the rear end of the slide pushed up out of position. But you can push down on the top of the slide and compress the trip spring and you will see that the cocking slide will be in the proper position when you compress it by installing the floorplate.
If you have doubts, post a pic of what you're trying to do and we can tell if you've got something out of place.
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Posted: Wed May 13th, 2009 02:59 am |
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Ron Thompson wrote: There must be a trick to reassembling the cocking slide while keeping the trip spring and plunger in place against the trip. The spring does not appear to fit over the pin on the trip and it seems impossible to balance the spring and plunger against the plunger while positioning the cocking slide. What is the trick or what am I doing wrong?
The spring should fit over the pin on the trip spring plunger. The spring -trip spring plunger assembly fits inside the trip.Place this assembly in the frame ,place cocking slide on top and put floor plate on[with proper cocking slide position ,should go in place without much resistance].
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Ron Thompson
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Posted: Wed May 13th, 2009 11:26 am |
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Gentlemen,
I think I see my mistake. I will report on my progress.
Thank you for your help and patience.
Last edited on Wed May 13th, 2009 11:39 am by Ron Thompson
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Ron Thompson
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Posted: Wed May 13th, 2009 09:33 pm |
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| I made a foolish mistake and thanks to the suggestions I corrected my misunderstanding of the schematic and the Trojan is back together. I am reluctant to explain how dumb I was. In any event, I discovered that the wood is numbered to the gun. It has no checkering and once back together you can see the fit reflects someone since 1929 sanding the finish and the checkering off. Oh well. The finishing went well with all the grain (very large pores from poor storage) now filled and five coats of hand rubbed tung oil with 0000 steel wool buffing between coats. All that is left is to replace the dried out 1940's red rubber recoil pad. Now, when is grouse season?
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Posted: Thu May 14th, 2009 01:27 am |
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Hooray for "back together"!
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Ron Thompson
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Posted: Thu May 14th, 2009 10:31 am |
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| Thanks Jim. Nice people on this site and patient.
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Posted: Thu May 14th, 2009 02:19 pm |
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Glad you got it back together Ron. And don't feel bad, we've ALL been there a time or two... I won't even touch on my attempts at dismantling and repairing a wounded VH12 when I was 14....
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Ron Thompson
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Posted: Thu May 14th, 2009 10:53 pm |
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Richard,
Thanks for the kind words. The mistake was I had dismantled two old guns at the same time for the parts washer. One was the Trojan and the other a Browning ATD 22, both in need of TLC. I kept the parts for each in different bins in the washer. When I had refinished the wood on both I started reassembling the Trojan. The part that caused the confusion was a spring and pin that I thought was the trip spring and trip spring plunger. The trip was so dirty that the spring and plunger were still in the trip and the schematic fuzzy enough that I thought the three pieces were one. So when I discovered the spring and plunger in the trip, I removed and cleaned the pieces up and was off and running. But now I had mystery parts. The NRA schematic shows two areas where there is a spring and pin. One for the trip and one for the the cocking link. I had not removed the cocking link and its spring and pin so I figure the mystery parts were from the Browning ATD 22. I finished assembling the Trojan and it seems to function properly. Firing pins function, safety works, the hammers are cocked when the gun is opened. So unless there is another place in the Trojan were a like spring and pin fit other than the two specified above, I am now searching the NRA schematic of the little Browning ATD 22 for the parts. Moral is don't disassemble two guns at the same time. If you know of the parts I reference and know that they belong to the Trojan, your input will be appreciated.
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Posted: Fri May 15th, 2009 12:38 am |
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It is also very easy to lose the parts you describe.
On another note, Connecticut Shotgun Co. has a Hawkins pad that has the heart design for sale at $40.00 plus shipping. they are 5 15/16 long so make sure that it would fit. Parker used this type of pad and it is hard to find.
PDD
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Posted: Fri May 15th, 2009 01:47 am |
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Ron, If you could post a picture, we'd know what you had right away. If your mystery part looks like a part in the schematic, give us a part number so we know exactly what you are talking about.
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Ron Thompson
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Posted: Fri May 15th, 2009 02:16 am |
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Richard,
The NRA schematic is a little crude. The parts could be 42 & 43 or 4 & 5 but 42 & 43 are in place and I did not take out screw #6 (cocking link screw) so 4 & 5 are in place. I can tell by flexing #6 (the cocking link). The spring and pin on the extra parts are a little bigger than 42 & 43. The end of the pin is a rounded head. I can't find another two parts on the schematic that match. I will get a picture to you sometime this weekend. Again thanks for your help. Another clue. I remember this part falling out with the trip when I tapped out the trigger plate.
Pat,
Thanks for the tip on the Hawkins pad. I have a friend with a belt sander. I will ask him if he can sand down the Hawkins to size. My Trojan stock butt is 4 5/8" long, 1" at the top short of the taper and 7/8" at the bottom short of the taper and 13 1/2 to the front trigger. The old rubber pad was 3/4" depth.
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Posted: Fri May 15th, 2009 04:16 pm |
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I have also seen a 3/4 in Hawkins pad with the Hearts and now wish I had bought it.
It was $35 several years ago.
PDD
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Posted: Fri May 15th, 2009 11:34 pm |
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| My friend has all the attachments to do the curves on a recoil pad so I am set. The current Hawkins pad is 1" in depth. That is better for me than the 3/4" as I have a long reach. I am ordering the recoil pad and screws tonight.
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Posted: Sat May 16th, 2009 12:06 am |
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Ron, Parts 42+43 go inside of part 41. I can't think of any other place where there is anything like that pin/spring. Generally there is old oil/grease that holds them inside part 41 when you pull 41 out, or it falls out, which it will do when you drop the floor plate, unless it is also glued in with old oil or rust. Generally the trip assembly will fall out as a unit and you have to pull the pin/spring out to clean them.
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Posted: Sat May 16th, 2009 01:45 am |
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| That's exactly what happened. The trip fell out with the spring and pin inside. I pulled the spring and pin and cleaned them and the plunger hole and then reinstalled them. I can only assume the extra spring and pin somehow got mixed in the Trojan parts box ands actually goes with the Browning 22. I will never do 2 guns at the same time again. I have ordered the Hawkins recoil pad and screws. When they arrive and are installed I'll take her out and try her again. I am comfortable that she is assembled correctly as she dry fires, cocks when opened and the safety works. All this without a cuss word or lost temper.
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Posted: Sat May 16th, 2009 01:48 am |
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Ron Thompson wrote:
All this without a cuss word or lost temper.
Uh-oh...then you DEFINITELY did something wrong.
Jim
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