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Harold O Holliday
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Posted: Tue May 12th, 2009 09:22 pm |
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Would appreciate any information regarding sn 117181 ...ornate,gold engraved,gold shield on stock.Barrels 26 inch,12 ga. Barrels marked at receiver-westley-richards and stamped sleeved.Rib marked parker bros damascas steel. Not sure of model.Overall condition is vg to excellent.O'h case colors are superb and barrels are dark blue. Thanks in advance ! Harold
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Posted: Tue May 12th, 2009 09:33 pm |
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See Research Letter , home page.
As usual, post photos. We like to look.
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Harold O Holliday
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Posted: Tue May 12th, 2009 10:02 pm |
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Bruce Day wrote: See Research Letter , home page.
As usual, post photos. We like to look.
Bruce Thnx for your response.Would like some insight on the barrel work ie. sleeving by W R ,addeded value...reduced ? Was advised by a gentleman employed at westley richards in England during a recent phone conversation that the work was done sometime in the mid-60's. no photos available currently-trying to determine model via sn.
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Posted: Tue May 12th, 2009 10:02 pm |
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Bruce Day wrote: See Research Letter , home page.
As usual, post photos. We like to look.
Bruce Thnx for your response.Would like some insight on the barrel work ie. sleeving by W R ,addeded value...reduced ? Was advised by a gentleman employed at westley richards in England during a recent phone conversation that the work was done sometime in the mid-60's. no photos available currently-trying to determine model via sn.
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Bruce Day
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Posted: Tue May 12th, 2009 10:30 pm |
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Value is less for a sleeved barrel Parker than an original with unaltered barrels. Its is a factor to be considered in light of the whole gun. But sleeved barrels detract.
Hard to tell much of anything without photos. Your SN is not in the Serialization Book.
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Posted: Tue May 12th, 2009 11:52 pm |
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| If you need barrels sleeved (e.g., corrosion, blowup, etc.) then Westley Richards is the firm you want to have sleeved them, regardless of the make of the gun. They didn't necessarily invent the process, but they have perfected the fit and finishing of sleeved barrels over the years to the point where in many cases it is very hard to detect the sleeving seam. Although the process decreases value so far as originality goes, it only enhances the utility and shootability of the gun. WR has done thousands of barrel sleeving jobs, and sleeved high-end British doubles are among the best bargains in the gun word.
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Posted: Wed May 13th, 2009 12:37 am |
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| Bruce , do appreciate your quick reply,it's apparent that I am trying to determine (justify) sellers perceived value.
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Posted: Wed May 13th, 2009 11:26 am |
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| We definitely need pictures of the gun and its markings. An upgraded, sleeved gun with 26" barrels would have to be an exceptional piece of work to have significant value as anything but a shooter.
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Posted: Wed May 13th, 2009 12:31 pm |
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I have to disagree with my good friend Kevin on the quality of Westley Richards sleeving jobs. Most of these were done in the 60's and 70's prior to the use of TIG welding to close the seam on the sleeved barrel's surface. I have seen quite a few where the seam was very prominent (i.e. ugly). These guns are very hard to sell. Modern barrel sleevers like John Foster (whom I consider the best in the business and have used numerous times) can produce sleeving jobs that are literally undectable to the eye. Personally, I would not touch a 26" sleeved barreled Damascus Parker for any money especially with a visible seam. There are way too many good Parkers out there. Just MHO.
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Posted: Wed May 13th, 2009 02:18 pm |
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| Don has a more direct way of saying what I was trying to say. But, of course, he is a lawyer so he has been taught to use an economy of words to convey a thought. Yup, a WR sleeved Parker is not on anyone's Christmas list.
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Posted: Wed May 13th, 2009 02:23 pm |
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| Don, if you run into a sleeved barrel AH or BH 2 frame 12 or CH 2 frame 12 or CHE 1 frame 12 or 16, where the back end is nice and with a skeleton butt, please let me know, as I have access to nice extra fine damascus and Bernard barrels. Last edited on Wed May 13th, 2009 02:30 pm by Bruce Day
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Posted: Wed May 13th, 2009 03:04 pm |
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Harold, welcome. SN 117181 is not listed in the serialization book. The research letter query returns the fact that info is available for a letter. Go to the home page and click on research letter for info on ordering a letter. The gold shield if original would suggest that the gun is a higher grade. If you can provide good photos you will likely get some good info here, but lack of info will not result in much help here. If you can get photos of the frame and barrel flat as well as the outside of the rest of the gun it will help in providing correct interpertation of the stampings. The "model" is usually stamped on the frame flats above and below the SN as a grade letter and number. Look at Parker Identification tab on the home page.
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Posted: Wed May 13th, 2009 09:33 pm |
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Kevin , Good afternoon, and thanks for your imput.I will continue my pursuit of identifying model and any other relevant information regarding the Purdy.
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Posted: Wed May 13th, 2009 09:38 pm |
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Good afternoon Bill-Appreciate your suggestions.
Harold
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Posted: Wed May 13th, 2009 09:45 pm |
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Erick, Thank You for your suggestions. My intent is to discouver as much as I can regarding this Purdy.Your comments and direction will help.
Harold
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Posted: Wed May 13th, 2009 09:58 pm |
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Purdy? This website is about Parker shotguns.
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Posted: Wed May 13th, 2009 10:49 pm |
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| SHHHH. I want to hear about the Purdey. I already have a Parker.
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Posted: Thu May 14th, 2009 12:22 am |
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| 20ga. But a 20ga Parker shoots just like it if you hold your little finger out. Attached Image (viewed 157 times):
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Posted: Thu May 14th, 2009 12:24 am |
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OK ...wrapped up in the discovery I guess!! Is the difference significant? My mistake-what could I have been thinking!
Harold
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