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norm riley
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Posted: Fri May 1st, 2009 06:22 am |
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| hi there i just aquired serial 54522 made in 1888 the gun was in such incredible original condition i couldnt help myself while it is my first parker i do have a westley- richards and a john harper and a 1882 remington my primary intrest has always been winchester 1873s but this shotgun bug is getting worse i would appreciate clarification on a few points what i know 12 gauge twist barrel barrel weight 48 moderate engraving mostly outlining what i dont know on upper table has an T with half moon lines above and below and then a smaller H above that to right above barrel weight stamp which is the grade??? on the back lug it is supposed to give frame size but mine is stamped 0 then2 or 02 what is that?????? any way gun is great 90% case on inside of forestock on lock mech. damascuss is beautiful locks up like a swiss vault labrador in middle of buttplate shows hardly any ware ect anyway having fun trying to figure what i got any help appreciated fellas thank you norm Last edited on Fri May 1st, 2009 05:10 pm by norm riley
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Brad Steinfeld
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Posted: Fri May 1st, 2009 09:29 am |
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Hello Norm.
Your at the right place to determine exactly what you have and get sound advice from some incredibly knowledgeable folks .
There are two key things that will pin point what you have
First to determine what you have we need:
1) the serial number.
2) Pictures posted on the web site. You will be amazed how much detailed info you will get from posting a few good quality close up photos.
Best of luck and if you have questions please feel free to ask. Those on this site are very passionate about these guns and want to help.
Sincerely,
Brad Steinfeld
Last edited on Fri May 1st, 2009 09:41 am by Brad Steinfeld
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Pat Dugan
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Posted: Fri May 1st, 2009 01:49 pm |
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The people that have the information and knowledge about you gun won't waste their time without the pictures and the WHOLE serial number.
PDD
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Posted: Fri May 1st, 2009 02:29 pm |
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| The T with the half moons is a symbol for the barrel steel type. The 2 0 should be a #2 frame, but I don't know what the 0 signifies. I have seen the 0 on #2 frame guns before. Maybe The Parker Story addresses this question.
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Posted: Fri May 1st, 2009 03:34 pm |
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Welcome Norm,
Brad and Pat are correct people who can help most need the full SN and photos to help.
Carnac says you have a top lever hammergun that left the factory with 30" bbls and capped pistol grip stock. Of course there is a small chance the barrels started as 32" and there is one chance in 80 that they started as 28". Then too there is a slim chance that your gun started as a straight grip gun. The top rib says "Parker Bros. Makers, Meriden Conn." and then this part is tough to see through the crystal ball but it should say "Twist" or "Stub Twist' or maybe "Plain Twist?"
All kidding aside, getting to know Parkers is half the fun and there are some incredibly knowledgable people here who will help given the right info to go on. The "H' you mention isn't the gun grade, but I don't know its meaning. It is most likely a 0 grade or maybe 1 grade gun.
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Posted: Fri May 1st, 2009 05:19 pm |
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| hi there thanks for your reply full serial is edited on to web site #54522
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Posted: Fri May 1st, 2009 05:21 pm |
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| opps sorry about two part message i have a digital camera but will have to experiment with getting pictures on site may be a day or so thanks norm
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Posted: Fri May 1st, 2009 05:26 pm |
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| thank you for reply did not know correct etiquette for serial number edited post to included #54522 i have a digital camera but will have to experiment may be a day or two before i can post pictures question on the hammer guns the grade is over serial on watertable where is it on mine ??? thank you norm
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George Lander
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Posted: Fri May 1st, 2009 05:28 pm |
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Norm: The Book has your gun SN 54522 as a PT (or O Grade gun w/ plain twist barrels) toplever action, full capped pistolgrip stock, 30 inch barrels, 12 gauge made in 1888. A letter from PGCA might turn up more info.
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Posted: Fri May 1st, 2009 05:29 pm |
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| thank you for info i dont have much lititure on parkers i collect early english trap guns and winchesters a lot of specialized info for every type of gun you collect parkers are new to me but thats half the fun thanks norm
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Posted: Fri May 1st, 2009 05:36 pm |
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| hi there full serial is 54522 did not know site etiquette i have adigital camera pictures will require some experimenting maybe a day or two have collected winchester 73 for 30 years and i like early smokeless single barrel trap guns most of mine are english though i do own a fine flues 4 thank you for help as you know each catagory you collect has highly specialized info i can spot a replacement part on a winchester at a hundred yards but have only my general experiance of guns and very little detailed info on parker its my first as you know thats half the fun looking forward to new friends and kknowledge thanks norm
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Posted: Fri May 1st, 2009 05:40 pm |
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| serial is 54522 barrel address is correct and mine simply says twist know guns and have collected for many years just new to parker question ths lever has a spoon like twist on the end i assume this is so that lever fully opens before hitting hammer correct?????? thanks norm
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Posted: Fri May 1st, 2009 05:50 pm |
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| thank you so much you are correct about description it has mild outline engraving on sideplates trigger guard ect also on bottom of reciever a rose?? or something buttstock is chekered and forestock likewise any way in my bluebook of gun values i find no (0) grade does this have another name or just to specialized for blue book as you know every time you get into a new gun it statrs again and this is my first parker thanks for your help am looking forward to the fun and new friends norm
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Posted: Fri May 1st, 2009 06:10 pm |
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| Norm, first thing you should know about Parkers is "Throw out the Blue Book". Eric
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George Lander
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Posted: Fri May 1st, 2009 06:27 pm |
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Norm: You Parker sounds like it has what we commonly call a "fishtail top lever" which is a little uncommon. If you think that you're going to start liking Parkers I would recommend Ed Muderlaks two books "Parker Guns the Old Reliable" and "Parker Guns Shooting Flying and the American Experience" If you like those there is the two volume set "The Parker Story" by Charlie Price, et al. Join the Parker Gun Collector's Association - PGCA & get involved.
Best Regards, George
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Posted: Fri May 1st, 2009 06:30 pm |
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| thanks ican see right away you are correct i think gun is a quality "T" from old cataloge info yet it has a silver shield at start of comb the guys say it is a grade "O" yet there is no grade O in the old gun cataloge it has a T on upper table but that is not the grade it is the steel rating yet the steel rating says simply twist on barrel address there is an H on upper table above barrel weight but that is not the grade either and the only reply on that was i dont know the frame size on the back lug says 02 when it should say 2 yes parkers are starting to get interesting the gun matches exactly the one mans reply from the book and it is all original and so the fun begins thanks for any help norm i think thats mine name better buy a #@ parker book Last edited on Fri May 1st, 2009 06:31 pm by norm riley
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Posted: Fri May 1st, 2009 08:26 pm |
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| thank you for your help you are knowledgeable and helpful like most sportsman and collectors i have known that have the zeal for sharing knowledge instead of holding to themselves Question is it innappropriate to ask for a phone number on this site? and the gun has a silver shield just at the start of the comb it has not been inscribed is this any indicator of grade like it says in old cataloge thank you so much norm
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Posted: Fri May 1st, 2009 08:31 pm |
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| may i have your phone number so we can talk this two finger typing is tedious thanks norm
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Posted: Fri May 1st, 2009 08:53 pm |
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Norm,
Look on the frame of the gun directly above or below the serial number. The grade should be there as either a # or a letter or both with one often above and the other below the serial number.
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