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Josh Lowensteiner
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Posted: Mon Apr 6th, 2009 12:41 am |
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Ladies and Gents,
The PGCA Board is in the process of picking both the annual meeting theme and the banquet display theme. One idea that has generated some discussion is the idea of displaying guns with Bernard Steel barrels at this years banquet.
Given the current popularity of these guns, it would be interesting to see many examples of them in one place. The only concern is, given the relative scarcity of these guns are there enough examples to make a thorough display? The display committee would like to have at least 2 dozen examples. Is that a possibility?
Please share your thoughts on this particular idea. We are floating several other ideas at this time as well, but thought this one would be particularly interesting if we can find the guns to display.
Thank you for your feedback on this idea.
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Dean Romig
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Posted: Mon Apr 6th, 2009 01:02 am |
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I would be glad to display at least one Bernard CH, possibly more.
I was looking through all the B4 entries in the ID & Ser. book the other night and found the majority of Bernard guns to be twelve gauge guns with quite a lot of sixteens and one 14 ga. 69931 and a 20/26" 128628 and a 20/28" 134451 and get this, ser no. 64515 - B5 H 0 P 12 30 which may be the only Grade 5 Bernard barreled Parker 
The last B4 gun I found, even after seeing an ever-increasing number of A4 guns and even more and more D4 guns, was ser. no. 181371 - B4 H 2 C 20 32 and I would like to see that gun displayed along with ser. n. 171694 - B4 H 0 S 20 32 WOW!!
There is a lot of variation in the configuration of Bernard barreled Parkers and it would be nice to get a strong representation of these at the Banquet.
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Bruce Day
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Posted: Mon Apr 6th, 2009 12:31 pm |
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There is a correct, nice condition 12ga D hammer top lever with lettered Bernards that is not in the Serialization Book. Its up in your area Dean and was available a couple years ago.
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Posted: Mon Apr 6th, 2009 06:47 pm |
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Josh
I have a very nice CH 10 that I would be willing to disply
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Posted: Mon Apr 6th, 2009 07:03 pm |
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| A Bernard D is certainly a rarity as is the only Bernard B I found last evening in the book.
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Bruce Day
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Posted: Mon Apr 6th, 2009 07:24 pm |
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One D hammer Bernard known and found. The SN Book B Bernard has not been found. Both SN Book Bernard 20's have not been found. TPS says four 20's and four 28's ; none found in guns and two 20's found in the SN book. Eighteen 16's listed in the SB, 7 known to me, incl. 1 destroyed.
Something like 400 12s and 10's listed in both hammerless and hammer guns, but if I had to make a rough count, maybe 50 left unless more appear with some search publicity. I have seen maybe 20-25. If you wanted a PGCA exhibit, it might be tough getting more than 10-15 to show. Of course maybe I'm low and some people have kept their Bernards very quiet.
Of course the Holy Grail are those two 20ga 32" Bernards. I'll let you know if I find one......after I buy it.
Dark outside. CHE SN 136,503 12/30"
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Posted: Mon Apr 6th, 2009 07:50 pm |
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| Bernards are interesting and particularly if a fellow has a new bernard not seen around before, maybe post pictures? Attached Image (viewed 238 times):
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Bill Murphy
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Posted: Mon Apr 6th, 2009 09:56 pm |
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| I displayed my original Parker cased Bernard two barrel set in the PGCA tent at the Vintagers a couple of years ago. I don't believe in reruns so I guess I'll have to look for another Bernard gun to display this year.
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Bruce Day
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Posted: Mon Apr 6th, 2009 10:15 pm |
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| Bill, you see a lot of guns, much more than we ever see out here on the plains. Have you made any counts or have any ideas about how many are around ?
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Posted: Mon Apr 6th, 2009 10:58 pm |
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| Bill, I hope you find one soon but in the meantime, what about we poor unfortunates who were not lucky enough to see your Parker cased two barrel set? We would sure like a second chance.
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Posted: Mon Apr 6th, 2009 11:23 pm |
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Bruce, we don't see many Bernard guns here on the right coast. Dean, my two barrel cased set is missing its original back end. John Davis donated a very nice DH Grade back end that I fitted to the Bernard barrels and forends. It is a nice outfit, 32" and 28" in a Parker Brothers #38 case that housed the original CH Grade gun. The barrels probably fit the DH receiver better than they did the original receiver. The 32" barrels were one of those odd sets that were ordered, "tight, to shoot buckshot".
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George Lander
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Posted: Mon Apr 6th, 2009 11:31 pm |
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There was a C-Grade 10 gauge hammer Parker w/ 34 inch Bernard Steel barrels sold at Charlton Hall's Auction last December. Serial Number 33904. Ordered May 4, 1883.
Order Book No. 14 Pistol Grip Stock with a gold initial shield. It sold for $4,800 (not to me, although I wish now that I had bought it) and it was about as right as they come
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Posted: Mon Apr 6th, 2009 11:52 pm |
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| George, somebody did very well at that auction and I'm refering to the buyer.
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Posted: Tue Apr 7th, 2009 02:59 am |
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If my business lets me free, I may have a 16ga CHE 30" straight gripper that I could tote along.
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Josh Lowensteiner
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Posted: Tue Apr 7th, 2009 11:36 am |
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| Thanks for the replies and PM's. I will discuss with the BOD and Display Committee and we'll announce the theme in the upcoming Parker Pages.
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Posted: Tue Apr 7th, 2009 02:34 pm |
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| I displayed Parker shooter W.S. Perry's 33" #4 frame C Grade Bernard hammer gun at the annual meeting last year. I don't want to do a replay on that one either. It is pictured on pages 252 and 271 of Ed's new book. Last edited on Tue Apr 7th, 2009 04:22 pm by Bill Murphy
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Posted: Tue Apr 7th, 2009 03:22 pm |
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| Who was W. S. Perry? Any relation to Rear Admiral Thomas Perry who also shot Parkers? Last edited on Tue Apr 7th, 2009 03:45 pm by Dean Romig
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Posted: Tue Apr 7th, 2009 03:34 pm |
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| W.S. Perry, Admiral Peary. W.S. Perry was a Parker shooter who was on the U.S. Cartridge Company travelling team in 1890. Ed covers the USC tour in his book. Parker Brothers built 33" #4 frame pigeon guns for Perry, Kimble, and Wheal when all three were shooting for Parker. Within three years, Parker wanted all three to shoot the new hammerless guns and some time in that era, the 11 pound guns were banned from the pigeon ring. That is why Perry's gun is still new. We don't know what kind of shape Kimble's and Wheal's guns are in. I assume that Kimble shot ducks with his. Perry was a hunter of some repute, but his fair weather wildfowl gun was probably his 3 3/4" chambered 33" eight gauge Greener Royal. Both the Parker and the Greener have remained together for roughly 122 years now. I suspect they will remain together. Just to make things difficult, Kimble ordered his 33" gun in August of 1885. Perry must have been a bit of a Kimble wannabe, because the 33" Greener Royal, according to Graham Greener, was the last gun Greener built in 1885. It wasn't until 1887 that Parker built Perry's and Wheal's 33" pigeon guns to the exact specifications of Kimble's gun, including the wild and crazy 33" barrels. Kimble's and Wheal's guns have Damascus barrels and, of course, Perry's gun is Bernard. Last edited on Tue Apr 7th, 2009 03:49 pm by Bill Murphy
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Bruce Day
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Posted: Tue Apr 7th, 2009 03:44 pm |
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| Would be nice to see pictures of other people's guns. Attached Image (viewed 110 times):
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