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Alan Ingram
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Posted: Thu Apr 2nd, 2009 01:32 am |
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Gentlemen/Ladies,
There are 3 parkers for sale at a local gun store all 3 have damascus barrels.
They are advertised as a DH a D and a PH.I went on line and all the pundits say the following "do not shoot" make them a wall hanger!One of them even said that the barrels will explode no matter what you send down the tubes!
Please your remarks
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Posted: Thu Apr 2nd, 2009 02:10 am |
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| One word.......IGNORANT!
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james w van blaricum,III
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Posted: Thu Apr 2nd, 2009 02:33 am |
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Maybe on some old guns with rusted and pitted barrels but not a Parker.
JVB
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Posted: Thu Apr 2nd, 2009 02:51 am |
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| MAybe an inexpensive buying opportunity.
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Posted: Thu Apr 2nd, 2009 03:48 am |
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I agree, they are dangerous and need to be collected and sent to Jay Gardner's Home for Wayward Parkers. I'll even pay for the shipping.
Only a competant gunshith or barrel man can pass judgement on the soundness of damascus barrels, but once you know what to look for you can get a pretty good idea if the barrels are safe for proper loads. Over the past 4-5 years there has been such an increase in the desirability of sound damascus guns that several smaller makers of ammunition have started producing and selling ammo made specifically for old damascus barrels. Unforthnatly, the prices of those guns has increased as well.
Remember, Jay Gardner's Home for Wayward Parkers a compassionate alternative to hanging them over the fireplace in a Cracker Barrel.
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Posted: Thu Apr 2nd, 2009 08:33 am |
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If that were the case Alan, nearly every member of this forum would be without hands and whatever long ago! We nearly all shoot multiple damascus guns. Many of us prefer our damascus and twist guns to any others. If you go back through our forum threads you'll find many many discussing the shooting of damascus/twist bbl'd guns.
Does anyone have a digital copy of Shermans articles to send Alan??
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Posted: Thu Apr 2nd, 2009 10:12 am |
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Richard Flanders wrote: If that were the case Alan, nearly every member of this forum would be without hands and whatever long ago! We nearly all shoot multiple damascus guns. Many of us prefer our damascus and twist guns to any others. If you go back through our forum threads you'll find many many discussing the shooting of damascus/twist bbl'd guns.
Does anyone have a digital copy of Shermans articles to send Alan??
Approximately 31,000 psi was achieved with special proof loads to bring down a true "wall hanger" Parker. . . certainly a gun none of us would have cared to shoot.
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Posted: Thu Apr 2nd, 2009 11:13 am |
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Alan,
Post your location and ask for a member to accompany you to examine those damascus and twist barreled Parkers. Just be ready to buy when they tell you they are good deals. If not they will stop being a gentleman and buy them all so fast your head will spin.
Mark
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Posted: Thu Apr 2nd, 2009 11:54 am |
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Alan Ingram wrote: Gentlemen/Ladies,
There are 3 parkers for sale at a local gun store all 3 have damascus barrels.
They are advertised as a DH a D and a PH.I went on line and all the pundits say the following "do not shoot" make them a wall hanger!One of them even said that the barrels will explode no matter what you send down the tubes!
Please your remarks
Thank you
If you have no experience buying or shooting Damascus barreled guns. You need to find an experienced person to take with you. These guns might be shootable and a good deal, or they could be junk. Would you buy a used diamond, from the guy on a street corner, if you know nothing about diamonds?
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Posted: Thu Apr 2nd, 2009 12:51 pm |
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Gentlemen,
Thank you all for your replies on damascus barrels.In my line of work we have to have our welds inspected by Ultra sound.
I am wondering if this would be a logical move, have them done to check for internal flaws.
Have any of you heard of this being done?
Please appreciate the gunstore lists the bores as "bright" and "shiny"
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Alan Ingram
I am in Ontario Canada
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Bob Brown
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Posted: Thu Apr 2nd, 2009 02:57 pm |
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Allan, you have to be careful when buying shotguns of that vintage regardless of the type of barrel steel. Wall thickness is critical. I'm fairly sure I know which ones you're talking about. I would have bought their most recent damascus DH a few weeks ago if a friend hadn't gone to the shop and measured the wall thickness. Others might feel different, but less than .020" right about where I put my left hand is too thin for me. There is a reason the bores are shiney and unpitted.
I've bought guns from them before and they are a reputable shop. If you buy one have it inspected and it doesn't measure up I'm sure they would refund your money.
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Bruce Day
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Posted: Thu Apr 2nd, 2009 03:09 pm |
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Alan, interesting question. I am not aware that ultrasound inspection has been tried on damascus barrels. I know that several years ago we had a fellow with access to x ray testing like one would do on jet turbines. The result was from that was inconclusive because it showed a mass of weld lines. I don't think so much testing was done whereby a person could detect a bad weld line from a good weld line. Damascus is a mass of weld lines anyway, not a homogenous substance like fluid steel barrels.
Another test procedure is magnafluxing and I am not aware of any test efforts with that. Perhaps Austin can weigh in and add his memory.
Try it and let us know what you find.
I think most of us when inspecting any barrels, particularly damascus, do the audible sound test.....ringing the barrels. We, I at least, suspend the barrels by the lump at the breech and tap the full length and around each barrel, listening for a clear tone and listening for dead spots that would signal a weld break. I use a plastic ballpoint to tap it with, others use their own favorite things. Ultrasound may be better, I don't know, interesting question.
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Posted: Thu Apr 2nd, 2009 03:16 pm |
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Bob,
Where are you located?
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Posted: Thu Apr 2nd, 2009 03:25 pm |
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| I'm in northern Alberta, so I haven't had the opportunity to see them myself. If you want to talk more about those three, shoot me a pm. I'm heading out the door but will be back later this afternoon.
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Alan Ingram
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Posted: Thu Apr 2nd, 2009 03:40 pm |
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What does "PM" mean?
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Richard Flanders
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Posted: Thu Apr 2nd, 2009 04:26 pm |
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I'd like to see someone try a magnaflux test on a set of damascus or twist bbls. Theoretically that would be an excellent test. Maybe I can find someone at the airport here to try it for me.... anyone else have an A&P mechanic friend at an airport who has works at a shop with a magnaflux machine???
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Posted: Thu Apr 2nd, 2009 05:21 pm |
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| I can understand the vendor warning against shooting those guns. The descriptions are not very reassuring.
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Posted: Fri Apr 3rd, 2009 02:42 am |
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| NEW GUY toparker site going to put my to cents worth in on damascus barrels. i have fired lots of heavy loads through these old barrels over past 50 years. from the 8ga. 10ga and12ga i have never had any problems with them only barrels i ever had give trouble was a set of 28 ga set of steel barrels. ihave shot up to 3 oz.of shot in aparker a parker hammer gun and a loomis 8ga i got from the market hunter .the loads were verystiff but recil was managble. i would not recommend this for anyone but i think damascus steel is as about as tuff as regular steel barrels thanks gugs for all the good things about parker shotguns yall have on this site . please excuse thespelling. im gonna see how far old market hunters gun will kill a duck one of these days . ha thanks fellows i think i have fond a bunch of fellows that like side by sides as well as i do
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Hey Charlie, glad to see you posting on the site. Sent you an email the other day wondering how the turkey hunting was going and if you'd killed one with the 8 gauge yet.
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