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peter holden
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 Posted: Sat Mar 28th, 2009 12:02 pm

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Gentlemen.

 I always thought my (1912) 20g was a trojan but having checked, it has a VH stamped on the action  flats above the serial number. What i really want to know is why is it  an ejector but has no safety catch, were they supplied like this or would it be a customer request.

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 Posted: Sat Mar 28th, 2009 02:30 pm

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by customer request.   prob.a trap shooter.

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 Posted: Mon Mar 30th, 2009 04:55 pm

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I doubt it was a "trapshooter" being a 20g, more likely the original owner just did care for safeties and ordered it that way.

As has been stated many times before, sub gauge guns without safeties were fairly common for serious quail shooters pre- WWII who, following their dogs on horseback, dismounted when a bird was pointed, removed their empty double from the scabbard, loaded it and kept it open and only closed the loaded gun when the dog handler move in to flush the bird.

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 Posted: Mon Mar 30th, 2009 08:35 pm

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Don.

I think you are probably right when you say it probably wasn`t a trap gun. The comb was very low when i first bought it, which to me would suggest it was not for trap shooting, most trap guns historically are relatively high in the comb.  I have raised the comb (bent the stock up) so the gun fits me. I tend to use it mainly for shooting widgoen and pinks at night on the flood tides, its not a light gun weighing in at 7 1/4 pound, but i dont mind the weight, i think a lot of 20g guns are to light for the loads they are firing.

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 Posted: Tue Mar 31st, 2009 11:56 am

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Peter  Don:

Although I agree that Don's assessment that the gun was probably not meant for trap is most likely correct, I will tell you that 20ga trap guns were in fact made.

Years ago, when I worked at the Elmira Arms Co, we had a nice Ithaca 20 ga "Ladies Trap Gun" on display.  The gun was a Flues Model, straight grip, no safety, with 30" full choke barrels. 

The Stevens Co. also made a "ladies trap" version of their pump gun, again with full choke barrel, cheek piece stock and trap dimensions.  I came across one recently.

I believe these guns were popular for a brief time in the teen's & 20's, when women were first taking up clay bird shooting.

For what it's worth...

AL Zinn



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