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Loren Chaplin
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Posted: Sat Mar 21st, 2009 05:42 pm |
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Can anyone advise how many Parker CHE 12ga, s/s, guns were manufactured, and in what era. I am not a shotgun person but have just acquired one of these in excellent+ condition. Looks like a beautiful piece and too nice to shoot!
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Chuck Bishop
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Posted: Sat Mar 21st, 2009 06:05 pm |
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Loren,
There were approximately 1874 grade 4 (C and CH) guns made between 1875 and 1942. Of this total, 1673 were CH/CHE hammerless guns. This total includes all types of barrel steel.
If you can take detailed close up pictures of the receiver, receiver flats, barrel flats, rib inscription, and stock, we could give you a more accurate evaluation of your Parker. Make sure you list the serial number found on the trigger guard, receiver flats, the barrel lug, and the forend. They should all be the same serial number.
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james w van blaricum,III
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Posted: Sat Mar 21st, 2009 06:21 pm |
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Loren: I would suggest some pictures, and for you to look up the history of you gun in the Vol. # 1 of the Parker Story. I have a two barrel CHE, one of the barrels has not been shot (my me anyway) because it is a 26 " rifled barrel but I shoot the 12 ga with light loads and I wear cotton gloves. I took it to Scotland several years ago to shoot driven pheasants and it preformed very well. A real attention getter. Take good care of it, love it, clean and oil it and you will enjoy it for ever. If you can't do that, let me know.
Best regards, Van
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Bill Murphy
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Posted: Sun Mar 22nd, 2009 12:11 am |
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| Tell us about the rifled barrel set on the CHE.
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james w van blaricum,III
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Posted: Sun Mar 22nd, 2009 06:55 pm |
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My CHE has two sets of barrels, a 31 in 12 ga, and a 26 in 12 ga. rifled barrel. The number on the barrels all match, the splinter forarms have the same serial number except the Pat' dates are May 7 1901. That is on both splinter forarms., Now on the barrel flats the dates are Jan.18-Aug 15,1887, underneath May7-Oct 8 1889. On the rib of the rifled barrel is the inscription "Mfg. For C A WINSHIP. PALMS. CALIFORNIA BY PARKER BROS. It is a beautiful gun with almost all of the case harding colors and blued barrels, however I am sure it has be altered.
Best regards,
James Van B.
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Bill Bolyard
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Posted: Tue Mar 24th, 2009 01:20 am |
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Here is a picture of the Crackshot Doc Van with His CHE
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Dean Romig
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Posted: Tue Mar 24th, 2009 01:35 am |
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Interesting so far, can we see close-ups of various aspects of the gun & barrels? Is it one gun with two sets of barrels or two different guns? Looks like a two-gun case with two guns in it. . . 
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james w van blaricum,III
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Posted: Tue Mar 24th, 2009 01:54 am |
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| That two different CHE's, one is the two barrel set(the extra barrel is in a nother case) and the other is a CHE 20 ga.
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Bill Bolyard
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Posted: Tue Mar 24th, 2009 02:22 am |
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Dean,
I tried to get Doc to adopt me to no avail, He already has a Son and Grandson.
Bill
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Tom Bria
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Posted: Tue Mar 24th, 2009 03:20 am |
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My CHE has two sets of barrels, a 31 in 12 ga, and a 26 in 12 ga. rifled barrel. The number on the barrels all match, the splinter forarms have the same serial number except the Pat' dates are May 7 1901. That is on both splinter forarms., Now on the barrel flats the dates are Jan.18-Aug 15,1887, underneath May7-Oct 8 1889. On the rib of the rifled barrel is the inscription "Mfg. For C A WINSHIP. PALMS. CALIFORNIA BY PARKER BROS. It is a beautiful gun with almost all of the case harding colors and blued barrels, however I am sure it has be altered.
C.A. Winship may have been a bit of a mover and shaker in the early part of the last century. Palms is part of West Los Angeles, and is usually considered now to be part of Culver City, which in those days was home to lots of movie production. It seems that in 1924, Exposition Blvd. (which runs through Palms) was named Winship Ave. Exposition Blvd. is one of the major thoroughfares in L.A., and runs right in front of the L.A. Memorial Coliseum, which opened in 1923 hosting U.S.C football and then the 1932 Olympics. If it's the same Winship that had his name on the street in front of the Coliseum, then the gun is certainly worth a letter and more research.
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james w van blaricum,III
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Posted: Tue Mar 24th, 2009 02:02 pm |
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Tom, Thanks for the information, I have not sent in for a letter and will certainly investigate . I bought the gun several years ago to take to Scotland on a pheasant shoot. I love the gun and you notice in the pictures I wear cotton gloves when I play with them. I have to becareful when I take them with me and Bolyard is around, no telling what he is willing to trade for them, particulary the CHE 20 bore. Any other information will be greatly appreciated.
James VB
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Posted: Tue Mar 24th, 2009 04:26 pm |
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James, I did a little poking around last night but did not find much of interest. Exposition Blvd. had a bunch of different names in the first half of the 20th century, and Winship Ave. was part of that string. For that part of town there seemed to be four industries that were prominent at the time: movie studios, oil drilling, real estate development, and rail transport. My first guess would be that Winship was in real estate or oil (maybe both), because Exposition was the primary route from downtown L.A. to the westside beaches, and that whole corridor was dotted with producing oil wells and land schemes.
Get the letter with some dates and maybe Winship's full name and address and we may be able to find more.
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Posted: Tue Mar 24th, 2009 04:59 pm |
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James,
Is the case you show storage of these beauties in "foam" as the picture appears?
I have had rust problems with those foam or egg crate cases even in short periods of storage.
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Posted: Tue Mar 24th, 2009 05:50 pm |
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I will second the rust problem. 
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james w van blaricum,III
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Posted: Tue Mar 24th, 2009 07:54 pm |
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Thanks fellows, the foam storage is only for travel and the guns are not left in the case, but indeed, I am glad to know about the problem. I have sent to PGCA for the research letter.
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Posted: Tue Mar 24th, 2009 09:39 pm |
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| James, or Dr. Van, let us know what you find out. A local Doctor S. owned a rifled modern Parker, probably until his death about 20 or 25 years ago. Did your gun come off the East Coast? I thought our local doctor's gun was mentioned in passing in The Parker Story. I'll try to find the mention. Loren, sorry we hijacked your thread, but post that serial number and we'll get you some more information. Last edited on Tue Mar 24th, 2009 09:58 pm by Bill Murphy
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Posted: Tue Mar 24th, 2009 10:09 pm |
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Bill, I bought the gun 12 years ago, in Kansas City. This has really whipped up my interest and have been exploring every aspect of the subject.
Thank you for your help, Van
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Posted: Tue Mar 24th, 2009 10:21 pm |
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| I guess I was wrong about Dr S.'s gun being mentioned in The Parker Story. The only rifled Parkers that were mentioned were normal shotguns with rifled inserts. I saw Dr. S.'s gun at least once and it was not an insert. I am relatively sure it was a C Grade gun and did not show a sign of being modified from a normal shotgun barrel. The last time I saw it, it was in a shop for some work but I'm not sure what was being done to it.
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Posted: Tue Mar 24th, 2009 10:41 pm |
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Doc Van,
There are certain things I would never consider trading Like Judy and Parker. All else is up for negotiation, Number one or Number two Son.
The 20 bore is spectacular.
Bill
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Posted: Tue Mar 24th, 2009 11:30 pm |
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| Dr. Van, or James, I sent you a PM but I'm not sure you got it. I assume you bought your gun from Mr. P. who sold many of my friend's guns, probably including the rifled gun. Did they give you any information about the original owner? If not, email me and I'll tell you what I know and who can give you more information. wilmrph@verizon.net Try to post pictures of the gun and its barrels, including the muzzles and bores of the rifled barrels.
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