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Posted: Sun Feb 1st, 2009 09:34 pm |
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| I know nothing about these things, but my boyfriend purchased a PB 12G shotgun at a garage sale recently and we're trying to find out more about it....SN 101444, so we know it was made in 1901. Barrel weight is 4 3, grade 2, Damascus steel, 30" barrel. Lots of detailing in the engraving, but again, not in great shape. From the pics I sent my father, he thinks it's a trap stock, which he said intrigued him. I'll have to post pics through a few postings since I can't figure out how to do multiple attachments in one post. Anything anyone can tell us about the gun and any est. on value is appreciated. Attached Image (viewed 442 times):
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Posted: Sun Feb 1st, 2009 09:45 pm |
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"bt1414",
Return to the Discussion Forum page and click on "PLEASE READ BEFORE REGISTERING".
You must use your real name to register. Hiding behind the anonymity of Internet "handles" like "bt1414" is not PC on this site. Parker members like to know who they're talking with and will be happy to help you if you follow PGCA etiquette. Contact John Dunkle the Administrator for help in correcting your registration and you'll be able to log on again in the future.
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tom tutwilerjr
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Posted: Sun Feb 1st, 2009 09:46 pm |
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Don't know about value. Book says it's a G Grade no extras, capped, with 30 inch barrels.
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Posted: Sun Feb 1st, 2009 09:51 pm |
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I'm so sorry! ...ok now I'm registered with my name. Thanks for pointing out (the obvious) directions to me 
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Posted: Sun Feb 1st, 2009 09:56 pm |
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| So my dad said it is a monte carlo stock....and he said it is weird to find a shotgun with a monte carlo stock...not sure if it is factory or replaced
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Posted: Sun Feb 1st, 2009 10:10 pm |
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Wow, that was quick...nice work Betsy. I won't be the one to actually put a value on your Parker either, but will say it's interesting and could have an even more interesting history. Perhaps others here will weigh in with their opinions.
1 - As you noted, the condition of this Parker G Grade is a bit rough. Never the less, you might be surprised at what lies beneath all the rust and corrosion once it's properly removed (i.e. no more damage done). Many here will have help tips on proper cleaning techniques if you wish to attempt it yourself. Otherwise, you need to work with a good gunsmith on a simple cleaning first...not a restoration.
2 - The missing forend wood and iron is a problem, but correctable if the gun turns out to be worth the time and money for a good restoration. At the very least it's a great project gun for someone here.
3 - The butt stock (as noted by your father) appears to be set up as an early Trap stock. Can't tell from the picture, but will assume either that the high comb is an add-on to an original stock, or the stock was made from scratch and is not a factory Parker stock at all. One or the other is true...need a close up picture showing more detail. At the very least the stock work looks to be good quality, and if it really is the work of the Parker Factory (see research letter below), it would be of great interest to many Parker collectors.
4 - To know all there is to know, you need a Research Letter. Unfortunately, the $60 for the Research Letter is probably much more than you paid for the gun in the first place. I'll let others advise you on that one.
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Posted: Sun Feb 1st, 2009 10:21 pm |
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Re: the stock...there is definitely a seam around the raised end, which would indicate it was added later...except the grain on the wood matches perfectly between the two parts, which might mean the stock cracked at one point and then repaired. I guess the question would be if PB even factory made stocks like this around this time...or ever. Interesting none-the-less.
We would like to know a safe way to clean it...but we're not really interested in restoring it...like you said, a nice project for someone else. We'd rather give it a good home elsewhere.
I'd kind of be interested in knowing more of the history so it might be worth the $60, even though we only paid $20 for it. Funny thing is my boyfriend bought this last week at a garage sale in Hawaii where we live. I'm originally from CT (not far from Meriden...in fact, I worked in Meriden prior to moving out here and my parents still live in the New Haven area). Small world.
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Posted: Sun Feb 1st, 2009 11:07 pm |
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Don't order a $60 letter on the gun, please. The fatally modified stock and the missing forend, the damaged screws, tarnish or rust on the barrels and action, make the gun a "parts gun" not suitable for a restoration. Don't feel bad, the gun is like many we have all seen and sometimes bought, thinking we could do something with them. The gun is a "gun" so you have to conform to some ATF rules to sell it, but if you can figure out how to get it on "gunbroker.com", you will get top market value and it will be visible to all Parker collectors. My estimate, $292.50. Are the barrels really 30 1/2" long end to end? Don't include the little thingy on the breech end, only the actual bore area is measured. If the barrels are really an unusual fractional length, the gun will be worth more. On gunbroker.com, you only have to send it to an FFL dealer, no other restrictions apply. Make sure you get paid up front.
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Posted: Sun Feb 1st, 2009 11:11 pm |
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Ill Drink to that. 
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