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Bill Murphy
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Posted: Tue Jan 13th, 2009 08:28 pm |
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| I think I am familiar with the B Grade that our Barrister Buddy was shooting on the Maryland Canadas. I have a Parker that has some parts in common with his fowler. My friend that hosted me the day before your hunt shoots over his stuffers, although we didn't use them the day of our hunt. He turned 90 Christmas Eve and shoots over other people's decoys now. I stayed at his home on the Shore and he showed me his stuffers but made it clear that they would be staying home. However, he did put out and pick up on water and land with the rest of us. Next time I see you, I will tell you a "Stuffer" story that I would be a bit uncomfortable posting on this site. Nice seeing you this weekend, Destry.
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Jay Gardner
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Posted: Tue Jan 13th, 2009 08:31 pm |
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This past Saturday I put RST low pressure 10 ga shells to the test during a European phez shoot. Temps were in the low 20's and the wind was blowing a gagger but the shells and gun performed well. I hope to get some nice shot loads for ducks this fall.
I hunted grouse this fall with RST 16 ga 2-1/2" paper hulls loaded with 7-1/2 shot exclusivly, and they performed flawlessly. You have to appreciate the the rattle of empty paper hulls in your game bag.
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Posted: Tue Jan 13th, 2009 09:22 pm |
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Jay I think you need to tune that thing up a little  . Ya I know ,At least you shoot yoursLast edited on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 09:26 pm by Steve Huffman
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Richard Flanders
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Posted: Tue Jan 13th, 2009 10:04 pm |
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Jay, I think I recognize that shooting box you're in if it's at that place in the thumb. Family pheasant farm or something?? I shot there once. 26 shooters, 2/box. We shot 216/266 pheasants from their tower in 2.5hrs. Pretty humorous at times. It was also cold for us; 10deg and snowy. Pretty fun though.
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Jay Gardner
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Posted: Tue Jan 13th, 2009 10:21 pm |
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Richard,
This was at Mitchell's Farm, just outside of Grand Blank. I believe there were 10 stations. We released 200 phez and killed 103 during the shoot. We killed another 60 after lunch when we took the dogs afield.
The reaction when I pulled out my Big 10 was priceless. Don and Destry, I think I need a hammer gun to really get the full effect.
Steve,
What are you afreid of, getting a little blood on that old girl you just spruced-up? Get out and make some meat!
Jay
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Richard Flanders
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Posted: Tue Jan 13th, 2009 11:15 pm |
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That's the place Jay. That guy had the biggest preserve birds I have ever seen. Some were 2 yr olds. Not sure how he did that. My brother was too cold to do the follow up hunt that day. We'll go there again sometime. Some of those birds flew around the entire circle of shooting boxes; it sounded like the Battle of the Bulge as every box blazed away at them, and they came out unscathed and landed behind and just sat there wondering what the hell just happened. Lots of laughs that day.
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Jay Gardner
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Posted: Wed Jan 14th, 2009 01:14 am |
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Big is right - and strong. I saw more than one bird take multiple hits that kept right on truckin. Some of the roosters were absolutly huge with long, sharp spurs - heck, they were at least as big as most of the wild phez I have seen. For the walk-up we were fortunate enough to draw two of the best fields down wind of the tower and there were quite a few birds, all of which were still strong, held for the dogs and flew well when flushed. I would recomend the place, highly.
http://www.mitchellfarmhuntclub.com/
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Richard Flanders
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Posted: Wed Jan 14th, 2009 01:49 am |
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Glad to hear that having large roosters wasn't a one time thing. There were some huge birds when I was there. Fields are nice also. We were going to go there this fall but a HS friend took us to the Farmland Pheasants preserve in Brown City, which was excellent also. Just like hunting wild birds. The owner just drove along the covers throwing birds out his open window; never got out of the truck(until he got stuck). It was so cold/snowy/windy the birds just ran for cover and sat there. I would highly recommend his place also.
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Dean Romig
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Posted: Wed Jan 14th, 2009 01:55 am |
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Richard Flanders wrote: Just like hunting wild birds. The owner just drove along the covers throwing birds out his open window; never got out of the truck(until he got stuck).
Huh?. . . 
How is that like hunting wild birds?
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Jay Gardner
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Posted: Wed Jan 14th, 2009 02:19 am |
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I have to say that I have not been real impressed with Farmland Phes Hunters. Basically he leases farms then will place birds in the morning in fields hunters reserve the night before. Some of the stinkist, dumbest quail that I have ever seen. Maybe his phesants are different but I watched one of the quail he planted fly into the side of a large tree and another fly into the side of a truck- stone dead. Never had to fire a shot. My setter took one wiff of those quail and looked at me like - I may lick my azz but there is no way I am picking up that p.o.s. and I could not blame her. Hell, I didn't want to pick it up either.
Didn't mean to hi-jack this thread. To your original point: RST seems to make the best ammo for these old guns. I just checked out their Nice-Shot and realized that I had better start saving my pop-bottles so I can order a couple of boxes of 10's and 16's this fall. Ouch. Bad enought these old guns are expensive enough to aquire that it costs a small fortune to feed them.
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J
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Richard Flanders
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Posted: Wed Jan 14th, 2009 07:24 am |
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How is that like hunting wild birds?
He put out a lot of birds, but didn't place them and put them to sleep as some preserves do. There was a lot of birds left from a group that got very few of what was put out for them. It was typical pheasant cover. Corn fields, ditches, hedgerows, a RR track. The birds ran like hell sometimes, sat tight for points at times, flushed wild at times; there was not predicting anything, and they flew very strong. The only way it wasn't like hunting wild birds is that there was a LOT of them. Had the guy placed the birds we would have known where they were just from his footprints in the snow. It was miserable cold but a lot of fun. We really worked for the 12 birds we got and left a bunch of birds out there that successfully eluded us.
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Posted: Wed Jan 14th, 2009 10:18 am |
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Thanks Rich, I understand now. Somehow I had visions of you guys standing there while he drove by tossing birds out for you to see and walk right to them. Sorry 
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Richard Flanders
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Posted: Wed Jan 14th, 2009 05:23 pm |
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I guess the earlier post does make it sound that way.... as miserable as it was, that gives me ideas for the next time!! It took me a while to figure out how he had put the birds out. He thought we were looney to be out hunting in that weather. The day before I was out with Rich Anderson and crew in similar snowy but not near as windy/cold weather. The Farmland owner did have at least 3 other preserves in that region of Michigan but economics has forced him to withdraw to having only the Brown City land. We had a wonderful little brittany to hunt with also. She would just not give up trailing the runners, did many classic points, and retrieved like a real pro with a soft mouth. I definitely plan to go back there next year. Had the corn been down the birds would have been forced into the edge covers and we would certainly have gotten at least 20 or 25 birds instead of 12. The place was lousy with them but they just got into the standing corn and ran in circles. One flushed wild from the edge and as it flew over the middle of a corn field low, 3 others flushed from under it. His roosters were big and very healthy also.
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Bill Murphy
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Posted: Mon Feb 23rd, 2009 09:07 pm |
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| Bringing this thread to the top for John Mazza to read.
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Posted: Tue Feb 24th, 2009 01:24 pm |
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| Thanks Bill - I'll definitely have to check these out !
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Posted: Wed Feb 25th, 2009 05:52 pm |
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I was thrilled to hear of these Falcon Ultra-Lite shells. I was intrigued by a very low pressure smokeless shell so I could stop buying black powder shells.
The RST shells that seem to offer the lowest pressure (in 12 gauge, 2 1/2" shells) are the MaxiLite 1 ounce (5900 psi), Falcon Lite 7/8 ounce (5000 psi), and the Falcon UltraLite (7/8 ounce @ 4500 psi, and 3/4 ounce @ 4300 psi).
{All pressure data per an email from RST.}
What bummed me out is that none of these loads can be had with shot larger than # 7 1/2.
I guess one has to go with the Paper-Lites to get the larger sizes, but I don't think they can match the < 5,000 psi pressures of some of the shells mentioned above.
Does this strike anyone else as being odd ?
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Posted: Wed Feb 25th, 2009 06:33 pm |
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The 2-1/2" lite are available in 5,6,& 7. If your gun will safely shoot the maxi-lites, it should handle these.
It's not hard to load your own, if you can't buy what you want.
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Posted: Wed Feb 25th, 2009 07:25 pm |
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True, the "Lite" load offers the larger sizes, but it's pressure averages 6800 psi. Granted, it's still low, but being paranoid, I wanted to consider the lowest pressure options, such as the 4300 psi - 5,000 psi offerings.
I have since found out that the one ounce Paper-Lites average 6,000 psi, and come in a wide range of shot sizes.
I think I'll go with these Paper-Lites !
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Posted: Wed Feb 25th, 2009 07:34 pm |
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And of course the paper shells smell so much better when you shoot them. It's well worth the purchase just for that pleasure.
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Posted: Wed Feb 25th, 2009 07:38 pm |
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That's a fact ! There's just something nostalgic & cool about paper shells.
(The black powder shells I use now are paper. Red, beautifully waxed, with that neat roll crimp...and all that fragrant smoke !)
Then, when I get home, all that damn mess to clean up.
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