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Marvin Kells
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Posted: Thu Sep 27th, 2007 01:58 am |
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Dave and Bill,
So, regarding the theory that there was a change in the case hardening process somewhere, which is it? Dave's example seems to say earlier production was better, but Bill's repro seems to indicate the opposite.
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Bill Murphy
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Posted: Thu Sep 27th, 2007 02:29 am |
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| Marvin, my late gun is not wearing well. If Dave's early gun is wearing well, our findings would be in agreement. I'm not so sure it's that simple, though. I seem to wear the finish off any gun I spend more than a day with.
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Marvin Kells
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Posted: Thu Sep 27th, 2007 03:18 am |
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| Bill, that's pretty funny. I guess I'll have to wait and see if I have the same effect on the A-1. But it really doesn't matter. I'm just gonna shoot it and enjoy it, case colors be damned!
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Dave Fuller
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Posted: Thu Sep 27th, 2007 05:47 am |
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| At the end of the day, I don't think colors matter too much. I love my Parker Repros, especially my 20 ga (and I'm not a huge fan of that caliber). It handles like a dream, looks nice, never misfired or doubled, it fits me nicely, is a dream to carry and I hit a lot of birds with it. Some nickel colored guns are great looking.
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Posted: Thu Sep 27th, 2007 09:58 am |
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I don't own a Repro, but MHO FWIW, stock finish is for protection of the wood, bluing is for protection of the barrels, but case colors are purely cosmetic.
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Sam Ogle, Lincoln NE
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Posted: Thu Sep 27th, 2007 01:05 pm |
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Angel;
Forgive me for being such a smart mouth with my reply the other evening, I should not have been what may appeared to be sarcastic, because I did not mean to be:
I own 3 Parkers. One is a 28 gauge reproduction, because the cost of a DHE original 28 gauge with straight stock and double triggers would be breathtaking, and so expensive, I could not ever buy it, and if I did, I would be afraid to shoot it.
I have had the reproduction for some time now, and it performs flawlessly, and is of as good a steel or better than in the originals. It is wonderfully made, a beautiful little gun, and handles like a dream. Yes, if I could will changes, it would be 30 or 32" barrels, but if I don't "stab" at the target, they break. The person who had the reproductions made did us a favor, and I think contributive in the continuing popularity of these wonderful guns.
I am one of the folks who say "let the colors wear off, and let it turn silver.....SO?"
Sincerely........Sam Ogle, Lincoln, NE
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Posted: Thu Sep 27th, 2007 01:46 pm |
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| Al, and Bill; Thanks for the info, I also hunt the daylights out of my guns,and enjoy each one and every trip afield, This last Parker from Steve Barnett, is the best condition Parker I own, and the idea of protecting it a bit is in fact a great idea,but if you dont use them you really never feel like they are yours and really never enjoy them as much as you should.On The Repro matter that A-1S,at the beginning of this chat is absolutely stunning, I dont own any Repros yet only because the pistol grip double trigger guns seem so hard to find and that is what seems to catch my eye.Again Marvin Congrats on finding such a beautiful Parker!
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Albert Zinn
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Posted: Thu Sep 27th, 2007 03:11 pm |
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Gentlemen:
I think we are all agreed: Repro or original - the best thing to do is shoot them and care for them, the way their makers intended.
I remember reading Larry Baer's book, in which he stated that anybody who would shoot a high-grade Parker just "didn't get it", and was wasting their money buying his book.
I'm sorry Larry, but the fellow "who didn't get it" was yourself!
Marvin - thanks for sharing this wonderful gun with us.
Russ, congratulations on your 28. I'm sure its a sweetheart! Give us some pics at some point.
In the meantime, let's go clean our guns .....and shoot them.
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Al Zinn
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Marvin Kells
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Posted: Thu Nov 29th, 2007 11:48 am |
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Joe Bernfeld wrote: Marvin, I've tried all 3 methods on Parker Reproductions. Put nothing on the case colors and they get a great silver polish everywhere that's not protected (highlights the engraving). I tried spray laquer but the problem there was when wear in the case color did become evident, it was in strange looking patches where the laquer wore off first. Tru Oil is easy; just rub on a light coat with your finger and remove excess with a rag (I didn't find thinning necessary). Doesn't seem to last long though. How ever you decide to go, the colors will wear off fairly rapidly if you carry the gun a lot.
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Joe, Just saw this at Cabela's and I remembered your previous comment on the subject. I've never seen a repro with wear patterns like this. Is this what you were referring to in reference to the use of laquer? If so, I'll take the natural silver look!
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Bill Murphy
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Posted: Thu Nov 29th, 2007 01:06 pm |
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| Is that what's known in the gun trade as "35% case colors"??
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Dave Fuller
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Posted: Thu Nov 29th, 2007 01:37 pm |
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Yes in 35% of the areas its 100% and in 65% its 0%.... doing the math:
0.35 X 1.00 = 0.35, 0.65 X 0.00 = 0.00, 0.35 + 0.00 = 0.35, ergo 35%
I've had a number of these, a couple I've put Tru Oil on, but I've never seen anything like that.
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Posted: Thu Nov 29th, 2007 02:06 pm |
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| Repros are known for the colors "flaking" but that is about as bad as I have seen it.
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Posted: Sat Dec 1st, 2007 01:04 pm |
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Yup, that's it. Mine never got that bad, but it sure looks like laquer "protection."
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Albert Zinn
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Posted: Sun Dec 2nd, 2007 12:43 am |
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Marvin:
All this talk about case colors, etc. Did you ever shoot the A-1 special?
Inquiring minds want to know...
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Marvin Kells
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Posted: Sun Dec 2nd, 2007 06:57 pm |
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Albert Zinn wrote: Marvin:
All this talk about case colors, etc. Did you ever shoot the A-1 special?
Inquiring minds want to know...
Al Zinn
Al, I did indeed! Probabaly about 300 rounds on sporting clays, skeet, and five stand. But I took the 28ga Repro DHE quail hunting (guess I'm still a bit anxious about taking the A-1 Special in the field).
I haven't used any case color protection on either one. I like the natural "silvering" on vintage Parkers, so I decided that is just fine for Repros as well.
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Posted: Sun Dec 2nd, 2007 09:31 pm |
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Marvin,
I think I told you before that my plan was to let them wear. In support of that, I have shot the daylights out of my 3 reproductions since Sept 1 when dove opened. They are all 2 barrel jobs in 12, 20 and 28. They were "as new" when I got them in late spring but not anymore. The colors are wearing most rapidly on the 28, the 20 had some kind of protective coating but it is starting to silver and the 12, which has been packed the most, is wearing the least. It is an early one I guess with serial # in the 1200 rang and logo on the top rib instead of on the side of the barrel. This kind of supports the different wear rate theory. Bottom line for me is I don't really care. IMHO, the 20 ga looks MUCH better as it silvers because the stuff someone put on it made the faux case colors take on a pukey grey color. The 28 is getting silver quickly, as am I, but it is a dream gun, at least to me. The only thing that seriously bugged me on these guns was the wavey gravy stock finish but even that seems to look better the more I pack them around. The 12 is an absolute death ray in my hands on ducks and THAT is what counts for me.
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Marvin Kells
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Posted: Sun Dec 2nd, 2007 11:32 pm |
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Peter,
You raise an interesting point about the barrel markings. I was under the impression that only the A-1 Repros had the markings on the ribs and that the DHEs were marked on the barrels (ribs unmarked). Also, I've read elsewhere that the A-1s have more durable case colors. Is your 12ga an A-1?
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Posted: Wed Dec 31st, 2008 07:01 pm |
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| But were they any better mechanically?? Granted high grade wood and excellent wood to metal fit....but in terms of mechanics would an A-1 Special in the white be any better than a lower grade gun mechanically? Hutch
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Posted: Thu Jan 1st, 2009 11:12 pm |
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| Love them repro's ....I personally let them wear natural...each one will remind me of the great times I used them..(-: Way I see it there are two kinds of guns. Guns used and enjoyed...the things memeries are made of. The other an investment, best left unused for some other person to enjoy someday. I have never lost a dime on my repro's....in the future mine will rate from excellent to well used, Im sure they will be worth way more than I paid for them. And whom ever tends them next will have that content feeling that I have about them as well. Oh ...I will have enjoyed them for free even if their case colors have gone silver! A welled cared for parker has lasted many generations!...we all know that, and so will the parker reproductions by winchester...they are that good. thanks all, Kenny Graft in snowy ohio....
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