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Dave Noreen
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Posted: Thu Mar 22nd, 2007 01:45 am |
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Keith Kearcher did an article in The Double Gun Journal, Volume Four, Issue 3 on a Parker Bros. DHE 16-gauge made with an extra set of 18-gauge barrels for Browning. Somewhere around 1905 UMC made a run of shells, but half way thru the bunter that made the 18-gauge headstamp broke and they finished the run with a 20-gauge head stamp, hence two shells needed to complete your 18-gauge collection. One a Nitro-Club marked 18 and another marked 20. The shells were 2-inches long and carried a load of 3/4 ounce of #7 1/2 chilled, over 18 grains of Infallible.
Do I remember correctly that this gun was up for auction in the last couple of years?
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Steve Huffman
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Posted: Fri Mar 30th, 2007 09:29 pm |
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Does anyone know a webb sight that showes two piece shotshell boxes ? I picked up a box today that is from American Ammunition company. 12 ga. but inside is brass shotshells that are primed and have abouta 1/4 inch of cardboard on the end headstamp is Horton No 12 Glasgow. The box has the American Flag on top.
Thank You Steve
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Destry Hoffard
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Posted: Sat Mar 31st, 2007 04:48 am |
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Steve,
That sounds like a good box, just post a pic of it and I'm sure somebody can point you in the right direction. There isn't a website that pictures shellboxes as far as I know. But http://www.soldusa.com sells a great book on them that's worth picking up if you're a collector.
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Greg Franklin
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Posted: Thu Jul 19th, 2007 05:41 pm |
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| RF: I wonder if the bullet, or ball round, is a shell that was designed to be fired in something like the H&H Paradox guns? I saw an article a year or so ago about a fellow that was machining his own, for reloading. Interesting. Thanks for sharing.
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Richard Flanders
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Posted: Fri Jul 20th, 2007 02:25 am |
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| The cases have a GG on them so I'm pretty sure they were designed for the Marbles Game Getter .22/.410/.44-40 O/U that my grandfather had and which, unfortunately, I did not end up with.... it was the very first gun I ever shot.
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Destry Hoffard
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Posted: Fri Jul 20th, 2007 07:09 am |
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The problem with a lot of the Marbles Game Getters is that they're shotguns and the barrels are so short that they fall within the illegal range. The ones with long enough barrels to be legal are rare as hen's teeth.
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Bruce Day
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Posted: Fri Jul 20th, 2007 11:13 am |
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| They are "legal" but they are Class IV weapons along with machine guns and cannons. So, you have to hold a license, pay a tax, be fingerprinted, etc. PITA.
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Destry Hoffard
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Posted: Fri Jul 20th, 2007 07:57 pm |
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They're only legal if that license was applied for during two periods of time when the government made them available.
If you've got the gun and there's no license for it then you can't just get one. Vintage machine guns are the same way, if they don't have a license that was issued during that short window they are illegal and always will be.
If you want to buy a brand new machine gun then you can apply for a permit before you buy it. But if somebody offers to sell you a vintage machine gun that doesn't have a license already you can't get one for it.
There's a group of Marbles collectors that have fought for years to have the Game Getter taken off the list of factory made short barrel guns that are illegal but have never been able to. There were several made in the US that are on that list, stuff like H&R Handy Gun, Iver Johnson Auto Burgler, and a few others.
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Bruce Day
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Posted: Fri Jul 20th, 2007 08:40 pm |
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Destry, the regs provide for a license and a procedure to get a license. Something doesn't make sense here.
In the 1960's Air Force survival seat packs contained a single shot .22 Hornet rifle with folding stock and barrel length of about 16-18 inches. Don't know who made those but would be interesting to acquire one. They were taken out of the survival packs because they were such a hot item of pilferage , leaving us only with our 4 inch .38 S&W carried in the survival vest or in a waist holster.
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Destry Hoffard
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Posted: Fri Jul 20th, 2007 09:59 pm |
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The regulations are for new firearms, not for anything vintage thats already out there in circulation.
I know all this for a good reason, did the research for a friend several years ago.
You cannot license a privately owned sawed off shotgun or machine gun that wasn't licensed back in the day when the government made the permits available.
They are illegal and if you get caught with them it's big problems.
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daryl middlebrook
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Posted: Fri Jul 20th, 2007 11:27 pm |
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In New York State no one can possess a class three firearm. Period. A class three federal license matters not. It just ain't possible.
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Robert Rambler
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Posted: Fri Jul 20th, 2007 11:35 pm |
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Steve,
This site might have your box.
http://cartridgecollectors.org/shotshellintro/ssboxes.htm
or this one,
http://www.traphof.org/collectors_corner/page57.htm
HTH, Bob
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Bill Murphy
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Posted: Sat Jul 21st, 2007 12:00 am |
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| Bruce, the most likely sixties vintage AF survival weapon was the Ithaca Hornet/.410. A friend had one, I expressed interest in it, but he got "ATF Cold Feet" and it kind of disappeared. I would like to have one.
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Posted: Sun Jul 22nd, 2007 03:26 pm |
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Dave,
I purchased a pair of the 18 ga. shells from Keith several years ago. I would part with them if anyone is interested.
Jeff
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Posted: Mon Mar 23rd, 2009 03:06 pm |
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| I am interested in the 2 18ga shells, how do we trade, how much do you ask for them?
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Bruce Day
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Posted: Mon Mar 23rd, 2009 04:05 pm |
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Dear Ms. Bra, a good way to start is to read "PLEASE READ BEFORE REGISTERING" , above.
Bill, maybe you're right, but I've not heard of Sombra as a last name.
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Bill Bolyard
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Posted: Mon Mar 23rd, 2009 06:27 pm |
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Bruce,
I think Samy Sombra left out a Space.
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Posted: Mon Mar 23rd, 2009 09:11 pm |
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Samysombra is my nick name. I have read the forum and I'm interested in these shotgun shells.
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Posted: Mon Mar 23rd, 2009 09:21 pm |
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Are you a shotshell collector or do you just have an 18 gauge gun that you'd like to have a couple original shells for?
You'll have to change your registration and put up your real name. That's the rules they make us operate under here, no nicknames.
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Posted: Mon Mar 23rd, 2009 09:27 pm |
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Sorry, I am going to change to my name...
I am a collector of different cartdriges, I always try to get differnet calibers I don't have and beside I have my 12 ga shotgun shell collection the one I almost have 900 different shells just in 12 GA.
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Antonio Molina
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