Parker Gun Collectors Association Forums  

Go Back   Parker Gun Collectors Association Forums Parker Forums General Parker Discussions

Notices

Reply
Thread Tools Display Modes
The Nose of the Comb
Unread 07-15-2017, 08:28 AM   #1
Member
Wild Skies
PGCA Member
 
Greg Baehman's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 2,245
Thanks: 1,149
Thanked 3,617 Times in 988 Posts

Default The Nose of the Comb

Would someone that 'nose' and understands the subtle differences in the shape of the nose of the comb of Parker stocks through the manufacturing eras please show us pics in how they differ?
__________________
Wild Skies
Since 1951
Greg Baehman is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 8 Users Say Thank You to Greg Baehman For Your Post:
Unread 07-15-2017, 09:32 AM   #2
Member
B. Dudley
PGCA Lifetime
Member
 
Brian Dudley's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 10,585
Thanks: 476
Thanked 17,541 Times in 4,621 Posts

Default

Hammer guns included, there was a large variety of comb styles used over the 80+ years of Parker manufacturing. Then you have the special ordered "full combs".

One thing is for sure, there was not the use of sharply defined or long flutes in the combs.
__________________
B. Dudley
Brian Dudley is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to Brian Dudley For Your Post:
Visit Brian Dudley's homepage!
Unread 07-15-2017, 09:39 AM   #3
Member
Dean Romig
PGCA Invincible
Life Member
 
Dean Romig's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 31,640
Thanks: 35,621
Thanked 33,236 Times in 12,377 Posts

Default

I have quite a large collection of pictures of the various styles of comb 'noses' that I will post up here tonight.
Unfortunately I don't have serial numbers on some of them.

Keep in mind that there were a number of stockers working at PB over the decades and each had his own small variation of the style of the period.





.
__________________
"I'm a Setter man.
Not because I think they're better than the other breeds,
but because I'm a romantic - stuck on tradition - and to me, a Setter just "belongs" in the grouse picture."

George King, "That's Ruff", 2010 - a timeless classic.
Dean Romig is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 10 Users Say Thank You to Dean Romig For Your Post:
Unread 07-15-2017, 06:56 PM   #4
Member
Dean Romig
PGCA Invincible
Life Member
 
Dean Romig's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 31,640
Thanks: 35,621
Thanked 33,236 Times in 12,377 Posts

Default

This should be a pretty good sampling. AS ALWAYS, REMEMBER TO DOUBLE-CLICK OR EVEN TRIPLE-CLICK ON THE IMAGE TO ENLARGE IT TO ITS FULLEST FOR A BETTER VIEW.

Serial numbers later this evening, but from top to bottom they are early to late.

Okay... the serial numbers are, top to bottom, are:

5949 D Lifter 10 ga. (stripped and stained but not sanded)
14056 D Lifter 12 ga. (refinished but with original nose contour)
18719 D Lifter 16 ga. (original finish)
18719 Again
19114 D Lifter 12 ga. (looks all original with possible recut checkering)
36488 C T/A 12 ga. (Before refinish)
36488 Again (After a fine Chris Dawe Restoration)
86488 CH 12 ga. (completely original)
149020 DHE 28 ga. (original finish)
235908 GH 12 ga. (original finish)
74625 Grade 1 16 ga. completely original
74625 Again
Original CH Original finish (same gun as just after pic of 235908)
Dollar Grade Lifter belonging to a Friend of PGCA
Next 2 Pics are a Friend's original condition AHE
Friend of PGCA's Dollar Quality Lifter again
Original Finish 241813 DHE 20 ga. Remington
Remington...
Another Remington....
And Another Remington.....
DelGrego Restock (the vast majority of DelGrego's restocks have this Remington style of comb nose)
209516 VHE 12 ga. 'Trap Comb'
209516 Again
Trap Comb at Brad Bachelder's


.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg DSC_0021.JPG (435.3 KB, 2 views)
File Type: jpg DSCN0021.jpg (493.5 KB, 2 views)
File Type: jpg DSC_0056.jpg (365.0 KB, 1 views)
File Type: jpg DSC_0072.jpg (399.1 KB, 2 views)
File Type: jpg DSC_0114.jpg (522.7 KB, 4 views)
File Type: jpg IMG_1412.jpg (504.8 KB, 4 views)
File Type: jpg DSC_0008.jpg (493.7 KB, 5 views)
File Type: jpg 023.JPG (463.9 KB, 0 views)
File Type: jpg 013.JPG (218.9 KB, 0 views)
File Type: jpg FullSizeRender (61).jpg (405.5 KB, 2 views)
File Type: jpg PB CH Checkering 2.jpg (502.3 KB, 1 views)
File Type: jpg 004 - Copy.jpg (561.0 KB, 1 views)
File Type: jpg 017.JPG (181.6 KB, 0 views)
File Type: jpg PB CH Checkering.jpg (492.1 KB, 1 views)
File Type: jpg JDavis2.jpg (395.3 KB, 3 views)
File Type: jpg 209516_1.jpg (25.0 KB, 228 views)
File Type: jpg 209516_8.jpg (13.6 KB, 229 views)
File Type: jpg AHE1.jpg (508.0 KB, 2 views)
File Type: jpg AHE3.jpg (518.8 KB, 1 views)
File Type: jpg JDavis4.jpg (460.8 KB, 1 views)
File Type: jpg IMG_3705.jpg (490.1 KB, 1 views)
File Type: jpg Trap Comb at Bachelders 1.jpg (69.6 KB, 229 views)
File Type: jpg Remington Parker 242242 9.jpg (142.7 KB, 3 views)
File Type: jpg Parker240109#1.jpg (121.7 KB, 1 views)
File Type: jpg Parker 239027 drop point.jpg (57.3 KB, 3 views)
File Type: jpg DelGrego style restock2.jpg (49.8 KB, 1 views)
__________________
"I'm a Setter man.
Not because I think they're better than the other breeds,
but because I'm a romantic - stuck on tradition - and to me, a Setter just "belongs" in the grouse picture."

George King, "That's Ruff", 2010 - a timeless classic.
Dean Romig is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 07-16-2017, 12:34 PM   #5
Member
Dean Romig
PGCA Invincible
Life Member
 
Dean Romig's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 31,640
Thanks: 35,621
Thanked 33,236 Times in 12,377 Posts

Default

Pics & Descriptions are now updated.




.
__________________
"I'm a Setter man.
Not because I think they're better than the other breeds,
but because I'm a romantic - stuck on tradition - and to me, a Setter just "belongs" in the grouse picture."

George King, "That's Ruff", 2010 - a timeless classic.
Dean Romig is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Dean Romig For Your Post:
Unread 07-16-2017, 01:51 PM   #6
Member
Wild Skies
PGCA Member
 
Greg Baehman's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 2,245
Thanks: 1,149
Thanked 3,617 Times in 988 Posts

Default

As we can see from what Dean has generously shown us there is a variety of noses that Parker offered through the years. Thank you Dean!

It appears that through the Remington era the flute area is a bit wider and longer than anytime during those from the Meriden eras. Would youse agree?

In addition, I realize wide combs and trap combs could be specified from Meriden, but can one assume that the standard comb coming from Remington is a little wider than the standard comb width of the Meriden guns?
__________________
Wild Skies
Since 1951
Greg Baehman is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Greg Baehman For Your Post:
Unread 07-16-2017, 02:26 PM   #7
Member
Dean Romig
PGCA Invincible
Life Member
 
Dean Romig's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 31,640
Thanks: 35,621
Thanked 33,236 Times in 12,377 Posts

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg Baehman View Post
As we can see from what Dean has generously shown us there is a variety of noses that Parker offered through the years. Thank you Dean!

It appears that through the Remington era the flute area is a bit wider and longer than anytime during those from the Meriden eras. Would youse agree?

Generally speaking I would say yes, as well as the fluting being cut at more of an acute angle.

In addition, I realize wide combs and trap combs could be specified from Meriden, but can one assume that the standard comb coming from Remington is a little wider than the standard comb width of the Meriden guns?

With that acute angle style of fluting the nose is usually wider but not always. I have seen a number of Remington combs that are narrower while still having the acutely angled fluting.
It is really hard to generalize the Remington style of stocks and all of their various nuances, as it is impossible to generalize Meriden stock nuances of styling.





.
__________________
"I'm a Setter man.
Not because I think they're better than the other breeds,
but because I'm a romantic - stuck on tradition - and to me, a Setter just "belongs" in the grouse picture."

George King, "That's Ruff", 2010 - a timeless classic.
Dean Romig is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Dean Romig For Your Post:
Unread 07-16-2017, 04:29 PM   #8
Member
Wild Skies
PGCA Member
 
Greg Baehman's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 2,245
Thanks: 1,149
Thanked 3,617 Times in 988 Posts

Default

Just so we're perfectly clear so I and others are on the same page regarding the definition of "The Nose of the Comb":

A. Is it a point as shown by the arrow in the first pic below?

-- or --

B. Is the nose of the comb an area encompassed by the rectangle in the 2nd pic below?

-- and --

C. Is the definition of the comb the entire length of the top of the stock behind the grip area or a portion of the length?
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Parker Bros. D-Hammer #101XXX - Copy.jpg (510.1 KB, 2 views)
File Type: jpg Parker Bros. D-Hammer #101XXX - Copy (2).jpg (509.9 KB, 2 views)
File Type: jpg The Comb.jpg (380.9 KB, 1 views)
__________________
Wild Skies
Since 1951
Greg Baehman is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Greg Baehman For Your Post:
Unread 07-16-2017, 04:38 PM   #9
Member
Dean Romig
PGCA Invincible
Life Member
 
Dean Romig's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 31,640
Thanks: 35,621
Thanked 33,236 Times in 12,377 Posts

Default

Greg, the "nose of the comb" is all of the comb shaping within your rectangle B.
The 'comb' I believe, is the entire length at the top of the stock from the point of the 'nose' to the butt plate.





.
__________________
"I'm a Setter man.
Not because I think they're better than the other breeds,
but because I'm a romantic - stuck on tradition - and to me, a Setter just "belongs" in the grouse picture."

George King, "That's Ruff", 2010 - a timeless classic.
Dean Romig is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Dean Romig For Your Post:
Unread 07-16-2017, 04:57 PM   #10
Member
Wild Skies
PGCA Member
 
Greg Baehman's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 2,245
Thanks: 1,149
Thanked 3,617 Times in 988 Posts

Default

I assumed the same Dean, but in thinking about the comb we have 'drop at comb' and we have 'drop at heel'. Maybe the former should be 'drop at comb at nose' and the latter could be more accurately termed 'drop at comb at heel', eh?
__________________
Wild Skies
Since 1951
Greg Baehman is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Greg Baehman For Your Post:
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:00 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 1998 - 2024, Parkerguns.org
Copyright © 2004 Design par Megatekno
- 2008 style update 3.7 avec l'autorisation de son auteur par Stradfred.