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07-13-2023, 05:29 PM
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At the time your BE-Grade was built, our U.S. ammunition manufacturers offered paper 12-gauge shells in 2 5/8-, 2 3/4-, 2 7/8-, 3- & 3 1/4-inch (bulk powder only) lengths.
LEADER 12-gauge, 2 3-4 inch, 3 1-4 dram Mullerite, 1 1-4 ounce # 7 1-2Ch..jpg ARROW 12-gauge 2 7-8 inch 01.jpg LEADER 12-gauge 3-inch Special Wadding.jpg 1901 PIGEON 12-gauge, 3 1-4 inch 01.jpg If Remington Arms Co. chambered one of their Remington Hammerless Doubles for longer shells it was so marked on the bottom of the tubes, just forward of the barrel flats. 121252 DEO-Grade 07 2 7-8 inch chamber marking.jpg 123247 11 Chamber Length Markings.jpg 131861 07 2 3-4 chamber marking.jpg 132034 02 2 3-4 chamber marking.jpg |
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07-13-2023, 05:35 PM
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Dave, apparently my chamber is 2-3/4”? Just a wee bit long. Thank you for your help.
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07-13-2023, 06:47 PM
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Since the barrels are not marked for chamber length then one would think they were originally 2-5/8” and were lengthened close to 1/4” longer somewhere down the line. I’m confused but I’m certain that 2-3/4” shells will work nicely.
Dave, I appreciate your illustrations.
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Phlebas the Phoenician, a fortnight dead, forgot the cry of gulls, and the deep sea swell and the profit and loss. A current under sea picked his bones in whispers. As he rose and fell he passed the stages of his age and youth entering the whirlpool. T.S. Eliot |
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07-13-2023, 07:22 PM
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I just dug my FE Trap Gun, very close in age to your BE-Grade, out of the safe and my Galazan gauge shows the same as yours. Using my preferred machinist scale method I get right on 2 3/4-inch.
The hang-tags that have surfaced for 12-gauge Remington Hammerless Doubles show them targeted with UMC SMOKELESS or ARROW shells Load No. 8 and later NITRO CLUB Load No. X8. That load is 3 drams of bulk smokeless powder or 24 grains of dense smokeless powder such as Infallible or Ballistite pushing 1 1/4 ounces of shot, usually #8. A 1902 vintage tag -- 319322 03 Hang-Tag front, SMOKELESS 2 5-8 inch.jpg A 1905 vintage tag -- 131920 01 front, ARROW Load No. 8, 2 5-8 inch.jpeg A 1907 vintage tag -- 135127 00 hang tag 1907 vintage, NITRO CLUB Load No. X8, 2 5-8 inch.jpg A 1908 vintage tag -- 372340 KE hang tag early 1908 vintage, NITRO CLUB Load No. X8, 2 5-8 inch.jpg All the hang-tags I've seen say 2 5/8-inch shells including a 1910 vintage (139973) that is too blurry to post. The rub is that by 1907, our U.S. ammunition manufacturers had quit offering 1 1/4-ounce 12-gauge loads in the 2 5/8-inch shell. From then until WW-II only 1 & 1 1/8-ounce loads were offered in the 2 5/8-inch case and you had to go to a 2 3/4-inch or longer case for 1 1/4-ounce 12-gauge loads. From the UMC 1907 catalog -- 1907 NITRO CLUB loads.jpeg When Remington Arms Co. introduced their John M. Browning designed Remington Autoloading Shotgun in 1905, it was made for 2 3/4-inch shells. Would they continue chambering their doubles for shorter shells? Likewise, when they introduced their John D. Pedersen designed Remington Repeating Shotgun in 1908 it was made for 2 3/4-inch 12-gauge shells. |
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07-13-2023, 07:25 PM
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that's a rare box of 3 1/4 inch shells...would love to have it setting beside some of mine....charlie
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