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Unread 06-17-2018, 10:58 PM   #31
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To get back to the original question a few posts ago, .2 grains or 2 grains deviation is not going to blow up a gun. Pretty much end of discussion. Try to avoid any deviation, but don't worry about minor variations that you can't control because of less than excellent equipment.
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Unread 06-18-2018, 09:21 AM   #32
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It's real hard to hold an exact load. As Bill said " .2 grs is not going to blow up a gun." Most powder companies will send you a small reloading manual if you contact them and ask. Then you can sit down and compare different things that is hard to do by just using the internet. I also like them much more than the Lymans manual. The two main manuals are from Alliant and Hodgdon. Just ask for them over the internet.
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Unread 06-29-2018, 03:39 PM   #33
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Gotta get some of this stuff Tom 1909

"Absence of Recoil, High Velocity, Perfect Patterns"
WOW How did they do that?



Faster with less recoil & pressure!

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Wow...I'll take ten pounds of each Drew. I love seeing the old ads for shooting related stuff. Schultze was a big name in powder back n the day. I collect old powder cans and I have a couple of Schultz. I also collect vintage shotgun shells in their boxes. Some of the designs and images on those old boxes are wonderful. Todays shotshell boxes are bland in comparison.

Thanks for posting the powder ads Drew. I sure did enjoy reading them.
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Good choice Tom Schultze; the "Easy on the Shoulder" powder



The American “E.C.” & “Schultze” Powder Company was established in Oakland, New Jersey in 1890.
“Hard Grain Smokeless Schultze Gun Powder” was offered by Von Lengerke & Detmold in 1894
https://books.google.com/books?id=M1...pg=RA5-PA3&lpg

An advertisement for “E.C.” No. 2 appeared in the May 30, 1896 Sporting Life “...made especially for small loads from 2 1/2 to 3 drs.; for heavier charges, from 3 to 4 drs., use our ordinary “E.C.” No. 1.”

August 22, 1896 Sporting Life
http://library.la84.org/SportsLibrar.../SL2722021.pdf
“E.C.” No. 2 - “VERY QUICK INDEED, NO SMOKE, NO RECOIL, AND HARDLY ANY REPORT”

“E.C.” No. 1, “New Schultze”, and “New E.C. No. 2” were advertised by the company in 1902, which was purchased by DuPont in 1903.
In 1904, “New E.C. (Improved) No. 3” and “New Schultze” were listed as Laflin & Rand products.

In the later part of 1906, Sporting Life and Sportsmen’s Review carried advertisements for “New E.C. (Improved)”, “New Schultze” bulk powders, and “Infallible Smokeless” dense powder as products of E.I. du Pont de Nemours Powder Company.

In 1912 under the Sherman Antitrust Act, Laflin & Rand was dissolved and DuPont was split into DuPont Powder Co. (which retained DuPont Bulk, Ballistite, Empire and “Schultze” and was later DuPont American Industries), Hercules Powder Co. (which retained “Infallible” and “E.C.”) and Atlas Powder Co.

Some comparative pressures:
Forest & Stream, September 24, 1910 from The Field
https://books.google.com/books?id=mEkcAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA510
42 gr. (3 Dr. Eq.) Schultze with 1 1/8 oz. shot = 9,598 psi (by Burrard’s conversion) Very similar to many modern 1 1/8 oz. target loads.
33 gr. (3 Dr. Eq.) “E.C.” Improved No. 3 with 1 1/16 oz. = 8,758 psi
33 gr. Smokeless Diamond with 1 1/16 oz. = 7,952 psi
33 gr. Red Star (New Explosives Co., Stowmarket) with 1 1/16 oz. = 8,322 psi

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1897 Sporting Life



1904 McClure's

"E.C." & "Schultze" Smokeless Powders. The Gentleman Amateur's Favorite.

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these old ads and photo s really stand out compared to modern day stuff...some of these old desireable shell boxes will cost as much as a high grade parker.....charlie
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The period advertising was absolutely wonderful. I never get tired of looking at it. Many thanks Drew for posting a glimpse of the past. My grandfather owned a Lithography company in New York City and he and the artists he employed produced much beautiful advertising back in the day. As far as I know, he never produced sporting related work, but the government was a big client and he produced many of the "Uncle Sam Wants You" work. He lived and worked in the city during the week and then took the train to his Pawling, NY home every Friday night and returned Sunday nights. His children, including my mother, loved Pawling and grew up there. I grew up there too and fortunately the hunting and fishing in that area is still superb. I am now retired and in the process of moving back to the Pawling family home to hunt, fish and live the rest of my years.
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The absence of flip flops and wife beater t-shirts on the trapshooters is certainly refreshing.
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Thank you sir. I just love reading the old ads and pictures of shotgun boxes.
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