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They were built to withstand the pressures, as mentioned here in prior threads and in TPS. I keep my handloads at <7,000 psi with 7/8 oz. shot, but also occasionally shoot what factory loads I have at hand. The greatest worry I have is the wood.
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Phil: the pressures were very likely within modern SAAMI standards, but the recoil was no doubt stout. More here http://docs.google.com/View?id=dfg2hmx7_333g89dwqg8
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Here we go again. SAAMI load pressure are 11500 for a 12ga. The gun was designed and constructed to take it, whether damascus or fluid steel. That is a stout load. One can buy 12ga shells that are over that, these so called magnum , heavy pheasant, heavy duck, etc.
A person may choose to limit the load and pressure through the gun based on a variety of factors, eg, he doesn't think his old metal is up to it, he thinks his stock won't take it, he thinks his shoulder won't take it, he prefers light loads ,etc. I personally will sometimes shoot max loads for late season, long hard shots. The rest of the time I load down or buy factory shells that are reduced from SAAMI max. A knowledgable shotgunner recognizes that recoil and chamber pressure are different but related and through manipulation of load components, he can adjust either or both. |
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1896 GAH at Live Birds
http://www.la84foundation.org/Sports.../SL2702020.pdf "O. R. Dickey, of Boston. Mass., winner used a very handsome Parker Bros, hammerless gun, of the pigeon model, and his load consisted of 50 grains, or about 3 1/2 drams by measure, of American "E. C." powder, 1 trap wad, one 3/8 inch pink felt, one 1/4-inch pink edge, and 1 1/8 ounce of No. 7 chilled shot in the United States Cartridge Co.'s "Rapid" shells, 2 3/4 inches in length." WHAT "pigeon model" WOULD THAT BE??
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AAH, Drew. See TPS.
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Thanks Bruce, but what made Dickey's AAH a "pigeon model" please? And were all "pigeon models" AAHs? And when were the AAH "pigeon models" introduced? Before or after the Smith Pigeon Gun, which claimed to be "The only American Pigeon Gun made" in 1894?
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"When were the AAH "pigeon models" introduced? Before or after the Smith Pigeon Gun, which claimed to be "The only American Pigeon Gun made" in 1894?"
No one knows?? Dave may correct me, but the Baker Krupp Trap was first offered in 1897 with 30" barrels, straight grip, and engraved pigeons. 1905 catalog Not sure when the Ithaca No. 2 Krupp Pigeon was introduced.
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April 6, 1895 Sporting Life
http://www.la84foundation.org/Sports.../SL2502014.pdf Parker Bros., of Meridan, Conn., are producing a Special high grade pigeon gun which is certainly equal to an imported gun in every way, and best of all, the shooting quality is not lacking.
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