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Unread 04-06-2020, 09:02 PM   #51
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good luck with your measuring i hope your barrels turn out ok...love those long barrels....charlie
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Jeff,
I would be glad to measure the barrel wall thickness for you. I am not venturing far from Sioux Falls these days but we said we were gonna shoot skeet sometime soon so let's get it done.

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At the time this gun was made, our North American ammunition manufacturers were not providing heavier 12-gauge loads in the longer 2 7/8 inch and 3-inch shells than could be had in a 2 3/4 inch shell -- 3 1/2 drams of bulk smokeless powder or 28 grains of dense smokeless powder such as Infallible or Ballistite pushing 1 1/4 ounces of shot.

ARROW 12-gauge 28-grains Ballistite, Remington Arms Co., Inc..jpg

What the longer shells offered was more/better wading.

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and some of the long shells didn't even have the stoutest loads --

ARROW 12-gauge 2 7-8 inch 01.jpg
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Dean, been thinking about you.I remember you saying you had a good wall thickness gauge.If it weren't for this virus going on I would have called you.I figured you might be swamped with your job.Ive been laying low mostly,maybe being plenty cautious but I don't want to get sick this time of year.I have too many things to get ready for field work,which is hopefully a couple weeks away.Sounds like it's supposed to get cold again for a while.Ill see how things go and maybe contact you later in the week,Jeff.
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Thanks for the info Joe.
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The little I have shot this gun has been with some 1 oz light trap loads and 1 1/4 oz bismuth 5s that I reloaded.I used the first load in the chart on hodgdon web site with a new cheddite hull at 7700 psi.I figured that should be mild enough,and they worked great.Maybe I can get together with Dean and get the walls measured correctly to see if its plenty safe to shoot.I think the place I ordered my gauge from might be temporarily closed.I was informed they were on back order.Thanks to everyone who has offered information about this gun.
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I found out a little more info possibly about this gun.My wife works for a printing company in Sioux Falls S.D. and prints the brosheurs for the Crooks Gun Club.Anyway she has a file on hand for the S.D trapshooters and found that in 1929,an A. Wallace from Canton S.D. was the 16 yard winner with a 193.Thomas Wallace,who we think first had this gun had a brother named Albert.I will have to see if there is any more info from the ATA.I found this interesting,just thought I would share it.
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I wonder if LA84 Foundation would have anything on him...





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