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Bill, I'd be interested in hearing about the mistakes on the other Remingtons in the auction.
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Somebody said there are no stupid questions so here goes. The description says it has ordnance grade barrels. What are these specifically? Why do you feel they aren't correct? These higher grade Remingtons are very nice guns and something I have overlooked so I'd like to learn more.
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05-03-2014, 09:36 AM | #5 | ||||||
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Remington produced the model 1894 with two types of fluid steel barrels, Ordnance was one and barrels were stamped as such. E grade is one of the highest graded Remingtons, an EEO would be E grade, Ejectors, Ordnance Steel barrels. When Charles Semmer wrote his book there were only 17 known E grades. This 16ga gun is featured on page 190, it is listed as an EEO and is noteable for being the only one known with spearheads on the cheek panel. The barrels of this gun in pictures of it on the auction site show Remington fluid steel barrels, not Ordnance. Semmer's book does not show the barrel stampings. So the question is, is it an EE grade with Remington Steel barrels or was it an EEO grade that has been rebarreled. I suspect the former as many folks not familar with Remington doubles think fluid steel = Ordnance steel.
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05-03-2014, 10:35 AM | #6 | ||||||
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Generally speaking on Remington Hammerless Doubles with Ordnance Steel barrels, the word ORDNANCE is stamped on the top of each barrel on AO-/AEO- and BO-/BEO-Grades and is engraved on CO- and higher grades. Remington Steel barrels were generally not marked. To my eyes, every Remington Hammerless Double in that auction that I looked at had issues. That auction did have more Remington Hammerless Doubles then I've ever seen in one place.
As originally introduced the Remington Hammerless Doubles were only offered with various grades of Damascus barrels. The Ordnance Steel and Remington Steel barrels were added to the offerings in 1897. |
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So with the Remington guns the difference in barrel steel is similar to the differences in Parker barrels as far as nomenclature goes, Vulcan vs Titanic for example?
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Remington's ORDNANCE Steel was always higher priced. When Remington introduce their John M. Browning designed Remington Autoloading Gun and their John D. Pedersen designed Remington Repeating Shotgun, they came with a Remington Steel barrel. For $6.75 extra, one could get your Autoloading Gun or Repeating Gun with an ORDNANCE Steel barrel --
On the Remington Hammerless Doubles the ORDNANCE Steel barrels were the same price as the Damascus barrels on the C-quality and above guns, but were $15 extra on the lower grades. List prices from the 1903-04 Remington Arms Co. catalogue -- Grade A ..............$45 Grade AE.............$50 Grade AR.............$45 Grade AER...........$50 Grade AO.............$60 Grade AEO...........$65 Extra barrels for AEO....$40 Extra barrels for AO...$37.50 Grade B...............$60 Grade BE.............$65 Grade BO.............$75 Grade BEO...........$80 Extra barrels for BEO....$47.50 Extra barrels for BO....$45.00 For all other grades extra barrels were half the price of the gun. The Remington Steel barrels were only offered on the A-quality guns and after 1900 on the K-grades. According to Semmer, some very late guns were produced with Krupp Steel barrels, but I've never seen one. |
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