Parker Gun Collectors Association Forums  

Go Back   Parker Gun Collectors Association Forums Parker Forums Parker Hammer Guns

Notices

Reply
Thread Tools Display Modes
1881 Parker Lifter 12 Ga
Unread 04-19-2023, 10:20 PM   #1
Member
Gary L Cheris
Forum Associate

Member Info
 
Join Date: Mar 2023
Posts: 4
Thanks: 0
Thanked 3 Times in 1 Post

Default 1881 Parker Lifter 12 Ga

My adult son acquired an 1881 Parker Lifter 12 Ga. Since I have a bit more time than him, I have been trying to research it, whew! Being an 1881 sure is making it difficult. So far, I have this info:

12 Gauge
Frame size 1,
Barrell weight 3.8
Barrel length 28 1/8”
Markings = + sign, Circled T, 52 4
Pat’d Mar 16, 1876, under SN 22435 on watertable, Mfg 1881
Standard forend loop

It seems to be in good shape. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Thanks!!
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Left side.jpg (532.5 KB, 13 views)
File Type: jpg Full length left.jpg (379.0 KB, 10 views)
Gary L Cheris is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Gary L Cheris For Your Post:
Unread 04-19-2023, 10:40 PM   #2
Member
B. Dudley
PGCA Lifetime
Member
 
Brian Dudley's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 10,764
Thanks: 502
Thanked 18,572 Times in 4,761 Posts

Default

With that barrel length, they likely have been cut.
And the left hammer is not original to the gun. And I cannot see the right.

The gun is from the short period where Parker was using roll stamping on the lock plates instead of hand engraving.

The bobbed barrels would hurt it a good deal. But at least they are still about 28” long and not shorter.
A 1 frame lifter makes for a nice little 12g gun.
__________________
B. Dudley
Brian Dudley is online now   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Brian Dudley For Your Post:
Visit Brian Dudley's homepage!
Unread 04-20-2023, 02:28 AM   #3
Member
Gary L Cheris
Forum Associate

Member Info
 
Join Date: Mar 2023
Posts: 4
Thanks: 0
Thanked 3 Times in 1 Post

Default

Thanks for the info Dudley! How long would those barrels normally be?
Attached Images
File Type: jpg IMG_6385.jpg (509.6 KB, 2 views)
File Type: jpg IMG_6386.jpg (511.6 KB, 6 views)
Gary L Cheris is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 04-20-2023, 07:46 AM   #4
Member
Bruce P Bruner
PGCA Member
 
Bruce P Bruner's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Feb 2021
Posts: 526
Thanks: 1,218
Thanked 1,987 Times in 365 Posts

Default

The Parker Gun Identification & Serialization Book lists your gun as an 0 grade with 30” Plain Twist barrels.
__________________
Phlebas the Phoenician, a fortnight dead, forgot the cry of gulls, and the deep sea swell and the profit and loss.
A current under sea picked his bones in whispers. As he rose and fell he passed the stages of his age and youth entering the whirlpool.

T.S. Eliot
Bruce P Bruner is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Bruce P Bruner For Your Post:
Unread 04-20-2023, 07:51 AM   #5
Member
Brush Buster
PGCA Member
Second Badge
 
Russ Jackson's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 3,240
Thanks: 3,317
Thanked 3,654 Times in 1,121 Posts

Default

Post Deleted !
Russ Jackson is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 04-20-2023, 08:01 AM   #6
Member
B. Dudley
PGCA Lifetime
Member
 
Brian Dudley's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 10,764
Thanks: 502
Thanked 18,572 Times in 4,761 Posts

Default

Right hammer is correct.
__________________
B. Dudley
Brian Dudley is online now   Reply With Quote
Visit Brian Dudley's homepage!
Unread 04-20-2023, 06:05 PM   #7
Member
Gary L Cheris
Forum Associate

Member Info
 
Join Date: Mar 2023
Posts: 4
Thanks: 0
Thanked 3 Times in 1 Post

Default

Thank you again!!!

Where would I go to get a correct left hammer, I'd really like the gun to be correct. Also, any idea as to a value?
Gary L Cheris is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 05-03-2023, 12:50 AM   #8
Member
John Cleveland
PGCA Member

Member Info
 
Join Date: Mar 2021
Posts: 56
Thanks: 31
Thanked 88 Times in 21 Posts

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L Cheris View Post
Thank you again!!!

Where would I go to get a correct left hammer, I'd really like the gun to be correct. Also, any idea as to a value?
Gary, I can't speak for finding original parts. However, I just had an 1879 predecessor of your gun beautifully restored. The gunsmith had to make a new left hammer, because the original was cracked. He is really good at his craft, and I really can't notice a difference. I guess that forensic types could spot it without much trouble. But that is not all that was not original. He had to make a completely new stock, because the original had a shattered wrist; but he replaced it with wood that had to be several grades higher than the original. Also, he had to cut off 3" of barrel for a crack, making it 27". It might all bother a true high end collector. But I am hunting the gun and that kind of detail doesn't enter into the great feeling of a hunt bringing an 144 year old gun back into the field.

Whatever you do about the hammer, enjoy shooting it. (If a qualified gunsmith checks it and clears it.)
John Cleveland is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to John Cleveland For Your Post:
Unread 05-03-2023, 07:55 PM   #9
Member
Gary L Cheris
Forum Associate

Member Info
 
Join Date: Mar 2023
Posts: 4
Thanks: 0
Thanked 3 Times in 1 Post

Default

Thanks Garry! What load are you using to shoot it?
Gary L Cheris is offline   Reply With Quote
What ammo I am shooting
Unread 06-26-2023, 09:30 AM   #10
Member
John Cleveland
PGCA Member

Member Info
 
Join Date: Mar 2021
Posts: 56
Thanks: 31
Thanked 88 Times in 21 Posts

Default What ammo I am shooting

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L Cheris View Post
Thanks Garry! What load are you using to shoot it?
Gary,
Not sure who you are asking, but I assume it was me.

The gunsmith proofed it with RST low pressure loads. He suggested that I try to keep pressure at or below 7,000 PSI, maybe mid 7,000’s.

It has been hard to find qualifying shells, but I found a couple of boxes at a “fine gun” store. Since then, RST had some available very briefly online and I managed to score a couple of cases.

I also have been trying to assemble components to reload some recipes for low pressure 2 1/2” shells that a representative from Hogdon sent me, all sub 7,000 PSI. The problem has been that they all call for their Universal powder, which seems to be a unicorn. Fortunately, a fellow in my gun club had a couple of pounds that he recently sold me. I have not yet loaded any shells with it.

So RST is the short answer.
John Cleveland is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:09 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 1998 - 2024, Parkerguns.org
Copyright © 2004 Design par Megatekno
- 2008 style update 3.7 avec l'autorisation de son auteur par Stradfred.