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Unread 01-12-2020, 10:41 AM   #1
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Default A Fox question for you!

Since everyone seems to be asleep on the Fox site, thought I would post this here!!!!

This is an early Phil Arms Fox. The gap between barrel extension and action slot would appear to be because the end was removed from barrel extension.
I don't think it compromises lock up which is very solid, and the Krupp barrels are in excellent shape, but interested in other thoughts. Also method to close the gap/repair it?
Quite interesting how close the external features are to a Parker, except for the tang length which is longer, the action shape is dead on a Parker. I will likely use a semi-inletted Parker stock I have on this to restock it!
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That does not effect lockup, correct.
You MAY be able to get a parker stock to work given it is semi-inletted. Wont know till you try. I may have a usable stock for it on hand.
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[QUOTE=keavin nelson;290178]This is an early Phil Arms Fox. The gap between barrel extension and action slot would appear to be because the end was removed from barrel extension.
I don't think it compromises lock up which is very solid, and the Krupp barrels are in excellent shape, but interested in other thoughts. Also method to close the gap/repair it?


Presuming it is a Fox "hinge pin" gun??

The only reason I can think of for that gap that makes any sense to me, is the barrels were replaced with a later set of barrels from a gun with a different frame configuration.

Remedy?.... weld material on the end of it and shape it to fit.




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Remedy?.... weld material on the end of it and shape it to fit.




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Yep, have someone who does micro welding fix it up
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I answered on the Fox BBS.
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The barrels on AH fox guns are in no way compatible with the earlier Philly Arms guns.
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Looking at your pictures, the engraving lines around the border on the rib extension appear complete all the way around, making it look more to me like someone hogged out the slot in the standing breech?!?

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Closing the loop here, yes the slot was cut out. The barrels number to the gun and the extension is at 15/32 which matches other guns of this vintage. So, any know a good micro weld man in Eastern Pa or the try state area?
Thanks for the feedback, on both sites!
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Dewey Vicknair could handle that.
Looks like the top of the extension was beveled back for some unknown reason.
As noted welding is the fix.
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Looking at your pictures, the engraving lines around the border on the rib extension appear complete all the way around, making it look more to me like someone hogged out the slot in the standing breech?!?

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