Parker Gun Collectors Association Forums  

Go Back   Parker Gun Collectors Association Forums Parker Forums Parker Engraving & Engravers

Notices

Reply
Thread Tools Display Modes
Parker Internal Hammer Sidelock Gun
Unread 01-31-2015, 11:16 AM   #1
Member
Bruce Day
PGCA Lifetime
Member
 
Bruce Day's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 4,695
Thanks: 498
Thanked 13,506 Times in 2,395 Posts

Default Parker Internal Hammer Sidelock Gun

Something interesting for the experts.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg hs01.jpg (117.2 KB, 15 views)
File Type: jpg hs02.jpg (149.3 KB, 4 views)
File Type: jpg hs03.jpg (133.6 KB, 3 views)
File Type: jpg hs04.jpg (147.5 KB, 4 views)
File Type: jpg hs05.jpg (122.5 KB, 11 views)
File Type: jpg hs06.jpg (144.2 KB, 9 views)
File Type: jpg hs07.jpg (133.9 KB, 4 views)
File Type: jpg hs09.jpg (109.0 KB, 4 views)
File Type: jpg hs10.jpg (121.5 KB, 2 views)
File Type: jpg hs11.jpg (99.7 KB, 6 views)
File Type: jpg hs12.jpg (114.9 KB, 5 views)
File Type: jpg hs13.jpg (113.7 KB, 2 views)
File Type: jpg hs14.jpg (121.3 KB, 2 views)
File Type: jpg hs15.jpg (66.6 KB, 3 views)
File Type: jpg hs16.jpg (67.8 KB, 2 views)
File Type: jpg hs17.jpg (59.4 KB, 1 views)
File Type: jpg hs18.jpg (81.5 KB, 1 views)
File Type: jpg hs19.jpg (87.4 KB, 2 views)
File Type: jpg hs20.jpg (81.9 KB, 1 views)
File Type: jpg hs21.jpg (144.1 KB, 2 views)
File Type: jpg hs22.jpg (126.5 KB, 2 views)
File Type: jpg hs23.jpg (85.6 KB, 2 views)
File Type: jpg hs26.jpg (130.9 KB, 4 views)
Bruce Day is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 01-31-2015, 12:34 PM   #2
Member
Kensal Rise
PGCA Member

Member Info
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 1,605
Thanks: 323
Thanked 2,155 Times in 803 Posts

Default

A particularly fascinating mechanism. And perhaps one of a kind ! I'm most piqued by these aspects:

It appears to have been made up on a hammergun frame.
The tumbler axle is "split" in its mounting between the frame and lockplate.
The sear essentially "floats" separately as a part of the lockplate.
The firing pins are not integral with the tumblers per the boxlock design
The gun has a fishtail top lever for no apparent reason... other than one may have been handy?
What was the reasoning behind this? A higher-end "sidelock" Parker?
And... what time frame was it made???

Altogether, a VERY rare Parker indeed !!
John Campbell is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to John Campbell For Your Post:
Unread 01-31-2015, 12:55 PM   #3
Member
Bruce Day
PGCA Lifetime
Member
 
Bruce Day's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 4,695
Thanks: 498
Thanked 13,506 Times in 2,395 Posts

Default

All those are unknowns. We know only what we see.

However, if past posts are any indication, there is a member here who will have another like it at home, knows all about them and dozens more will have passed through his hands.
Bruce Day is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Bruce Day For Your Post:
Unread 01-31-2015, 01:04 PM   #4
Member
Wild Skies
PGCA Member
 
Greg Baehman's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,684
Thanks: 717
Thanked 2,284 Times in 645 Posts

Default

Did we see this gun at the 2014 Antique Arms Show in Las Vegas? If not, there was another one shown there.
__________________
Wild Skies
Since 1951
Greg Baehman is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 01-31-2015, 01:55 PM   #5
Member
Bill Murphy
PGCA Lifetime
Member Since
Second Grade

Member Info
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 12,036
Thanks: 4,435
Thanked 5,585 Times in 3,101 Posts

Default

We saw one at an early Gold Medal Concours, which could be the same gun. Who knows?
Bill Murphy is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 01-31-2015, 02:12 PM   #6
Member
Brian H
PGCA Lifetime
Member
 
Brian Hornacek's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 501
Thanks: 1,355
Thanked 2,486 Times in 269 Posts

Default

A gun exactly like this was on a table at Vegas last week. A picture was posted here someplace I can't remember the price.
Brian Hornacek is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 01-31-2015, 03:40 PM   #7
Member
Dean Romig
PGCA Invincible
Life Member
 
Dean Romig's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 24,536
Thanks: 22,428
Thanked 21,289 Times in 8,376 Posts

Default

Thanks very much Bruce. That's an excellent pictorial essay.

When looking at pictures 1 and 5 and enlarging it so I can read that patent date it looks like March 26, 1873 or 1875. In any case, I find no such patent date in The Parker Story listing of all known patent dates. This might indicate that whoever did this work patented it. Of course, I may be wrong about the date I read.
Dean Romig is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 01-31-2015, 04:00 PM   #8
Member
Mills
PGCA Lifetime Member
Since 3rd Grade
 
Mills Morrison's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 7,633
Thanks: 10,164
Thanked 7,893 Times in 2,848 Posts

Default

Very cool. Great material for a Parker Pages article
Mills Morrison is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Mills Morrison For Your Post:
Unread 01-31-2015, 04:10 PM   #9
Member
David Noble
PGCA Member
 
David Noble's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 559
Thanks: 545
Thanked 544 Times in 183 Posts

Default

The serial number is in the S&I book as a grade 3 damascus top lever gun with no extras.
I would guess a very early and ingenious conversion to hammerless. Too bad the smith that did the work didn't sign it somewhere.
David Noble is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 01-31-2015, 04:27 PM   #10
Member
B. Dudley
PGCA Lifetime
Member
 
Brian Dudley's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 7,959
Thanks: 345
Thanked 10,413 Times in 2,984 Posts

Default

Must have been a gunsmith that was doing hammerless conversions on Parker hammer guns. I wonder who it was.

Very interesting indeed.

Similar in some ways to a cocking rod Lefever.
__________________
B. Dudley
Brian Dudley is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Brian Dudley For Your Post:
Visit Brian Dudley's homepage!
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:08 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright 1998 - 2020, Parkerguns.org
Copyright 2004 Design par Megatekno
- 2008 style update 3.7 avec l'autorisation de son auteur par Stradfred.