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Unread 07-18-2019, 12:54 PM   #1
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Rummaging around this morning through some old reloading manuals, I found an Alliant one from 2002.
It had a 16 gauge load listed using 15.5 grains of Red Dot...Fiocchi primer...WAA 16 wad...and 1 ounce of shot. The velocity was 1090 fps, and the pressure was 10,600 psi.
I made some reductions, and used 12 grains of Red Dot with 7/8 ounces of shot in a Cheddite hull. The recoil was mild and the load burned very clean. The velocity probably dropped to around 1000 fps, and I believe the pressure to be around 8,000 to 8,500 psi.
Has anyone tried a similar load, and/or had such a load tested for actual velocity and pressure?
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A full house charge of Red Dot was a factory Skeet Load back in the day --

Shur Shot 16-gauge Skeet Load.jpeg

but I wouldn't think Red Dot would be a top choice for 16-gauge loads today.

I use American Select in Federal hulls with the DR-16 wad for my 7/8 ounce 16-gauge reloads and the full Winchester suite in the compression formed Winchester/Western hulls for my 1 ounce loads.
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I forgot to mention that the Red Dot load I'm trying out is in 2 3/8 inch cases.
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Austin, I have thousands of loads on file from the 16 ga reloaders group, listed by wad, powder, hull, and low pressure---but Red Dot loads are scarce as hens teeth. Still, I would imagine that with cutting back on the powder and load it should be a pleasant shooter.
Do you have to use any filler with the 7/8 load and WAA16 to get a good crimp?
I do have a bunch of Green Dot 3/4 oz loads in 2 1/2" cheddite hulls.
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Hi Harold,
Nice to hear from you. I know what you mean regarding the scarcity of 16 gauge Red Dot loads. The ONLY recipe I have found is the one mentioned in the old Alliant manual. I don't need any filler in the WAA16 shotcup because I have trimmed the cases to 2 3/8 inches ( I've edited my previous post ), but I do need to trim the petals back a little. If I could find one of the vintage Red Dot loads that Dave posted a photo of I would love to take it apart and weigh the powder charge, but that might not tell me much since I'm sure those loads use filler wads, not shot cups. I'm happy with the (estimated ) velocity and pressure of the 12 grain load since recoil is pleasant the burn is very clean, but I'm just curious how close my estimates are to the actual numbers. I'll be at the vintagers shoot at Ernie's in September. Hope to see you there.
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Here is the 16-gauge page from the 1985 Hercules Reloader's Guide --

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One can see the Red Dot loads given are towards the SAAMI max for 16-gauge --

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Perfect!!!!
The info on that 1985 guide would indicate even lower pressure, and slightly higher velocity, with a 7/8 oz. load than I had estimated.
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Austin, your thread got me thinking, cause I have a bag of the Claybuster WAA 16 clone wads that were taking up space--have never tried them. I found a nice low pressure/velocity load with Cheddite 2 3/4" hulls, 19.9 gr Universal, Waa 16 wad, and cheddite primer, 1 oz load at 1165 fps and 7100 psi.
Now, I really like loading 2 1/2", so I dropped down a bushing to 19.2 gr Univ,
used 7/8 oz load, with the WAA16 wad. It crimps great, and no need to trim the wad. I only loaded up about half a box, but havent tried them yet. I suspect should work fine.
Advantage is that the Claybuster wads are only half the price of the Gulandi'
SG 16, B&P Z16, and DR 16 wads I use, and Universal is very easy to find.
Let you know what I think after I shoot a few. Anybody else use this?
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Harold,
I've never used Universal with WAA16 wads and Cheddite hulls due to a concern about the powder migrating past the base of the wad. I had this issue with some PB loads that I've been using in the past ( although they were bouncing around in the back of the Jeep for awhile before using them ). I still have some PB, but I thought I'd try some Red Dot loads to see if the same thing happened. I have used Green Dot also, but the burn was a little dirty, possibly, due to a slightly oversize bore in the gun they were loaded for. Is Universal about the same grain size as PB?
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