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Unread 04-21-2018, 07:49 PM   #1
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No "Parker Bros" anywhere?
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I saw that one also, and was wondering the same thing.
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It has what I consider to be Runge engraving so I believe it is what we call a "transition" Parker. I have pictures of one that is nearly identical except with about 70% case colors and the serial number confirms that it is a transition Parker. Serial number on the one I have shown here is 236199 which translates to 1933. Remington Arms purchased the Parker gun works in 1934 and this one was obviously finished after Remington took ownership - hence the lack of Parker Bros. or Parker anywhere on the frame, but the grip cap and the rib inscription are identified as "Parker Bros. Meriden Conn."

Sorry about the quality of the pictures - they were taken when photography was in its infancy...







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Dean;

Is the checkering on the side panels original?

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Jay, there are a number of things about this gun which raise questions. My guess is Yes on the checkered cheek panels as well as the unusual butt plate. I have only seen one other butt plate like this one on a Parker. I'll post pics of the butt plate later today.





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The butt plate. Original?? Your guess is as good as mine... But my guess is that it is original.


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Dean, I own Parker 236,200 It is a 16g GHE with the same style engraving. I had come to the conclusion that it was a transition gun also as no Parker Bros on the side but clearly marked Parker Special Steel on the beautiful tapered rib. With only 83 guns total in 1933 I think they had plenty of time to work on guns and they are some of the best fitted guns to come out of the Parker factory ! That's probably wishful on my part because I own one. I really enjoy the birds engraved on the gun same style as yours and the pair of quail on the side are just great. my gun does not have checkered side panels or the unique butt plate that your gun exhibits. I will try to post a pic of the engraved quail later. Thanks for posting pics of your transition gun Best,Paul
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No "Parker Bros" anywhere?
Transition Gun. MY 28 was 236475 and had no inscription on the receiver, but the top rib and grip cap were Meriden.
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I’ll look for my pictures I have of Burt Spiller’s VH 236252 to see how it is marked.





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VHE 20 235968 and PHE 20 235972 only markings are on rib.
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