A nice light Ithaca , off my bucket list

[terc]

From what I understand, the only A&B guns that are legal for anyone to own are the ones that were registered in 1968. I purchased this one in December / 2019 , sent a $ 5.00 check with some paperwork to the BATF , six months later the tax stamp arrived, I then took legal ownership. With a little patients it was simple.
From what I understand, if you find one of these that had not been registered in 1968 you can not be in possession of it. Ten years in jail and a $250,00.00 fine is the penalty.
There is know way to make them legal now.

[OH Osthaus]

Originally Posted by Dave Tercek

From what I understand, the only A&B guns that are legal for anyone to own are the ones that were registered in 1968. I purchased this one in December / 2019 , sent a $ 5.00 check with some paperwork to the BATF , six months later the tax stamp arrived, I then took legal ownership. With a little patients it was simple.
From what I understand, if you find one of these that had not been registered in 1968 you can not be in possession of it. Ten years in jail and a $250,00.00 fine is the penalty.
There is know way to make them legal now.

that explains a lot

[B. Dudley]

I think that there may be some allowance for getting original Short barreled guns into the system that are legit and just undocumented. But new ones cannot be created modern day.

[terc]

Brian, You may very well be correct. I was told the opposite. My information is all second or third hand though.

[Joe from MO]

Curious to see what sort of TRAP scores you can post with that.

Congrats on new pick up.

[Dean Romig]

You would need a Federal Collector’s Licenseto buy or own one of these.

Same with a fully automatic Thompson “”Tommy Gun”.



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[terc]

I applied for and got a Federal tax stamp. I think I'm legal now. The A&B's are classified as "any other weapon".

[David Noble]

Originally Posted by Dean Romig

You would need a Federal Collector’s Licenseto buy or own one of these.

Same with a fully automatic Thompson “”Tommy Gun”.



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Actually, a collectors license will not cut it. You need a Federal Tax Stamp to own or purchase any firearm that is in the NFA registry. This would include machine guns as well as select fire or full auto pistols, short barrel rifles or shotguns, any pistol that has a vertical front grip attached to it to allow for a two hand hold, any rifle or shotgun with an overall length shorter than 26 inches, a modern handgun (pistol or revolver) with a butt stock attached whether it is permanent or detachable (wrist braces are an exception), any firearm or ammunition that is classified as a destructive device. Some vintage firearms like the Ithaca Auto & Burglar and the Marbles Game Getter were made as legal short barreled firearms but they were reclassified later in the National Firearms Act to be Title II or prohibited weapons unless registered at the time or during the 1968 Amnesty period. There are quite a few variations of the classifications and rulings so it's sometimes difficult to decipher what is what. Word to the wise, if you're not sure, leave it alone until you've had time to research it. Some, like the firearm in this thread, are transferable for a $5 stamp. Others are $200. All require an application be filed with the BATF&E along with proper money to pay the fee for the tax stamp. This process can be many months long. The same applies to suppressors (silencers) also. It is still possible to buy newly manufactured short barreled shotguns that are manufactured using a receiver that has never been used on or assembled as a full length shotgun. These are still classified as "An Other Weapon" (AOW) but can be purchased with proper paperwork and fee paid.

On the other hand there are new variations of firearms being made that skirt the current regulations and can be bought over the counter in most states,
though these guns would be hard to come by right now due to the current gun buying frenzy. Guns like the Henry Mares Leg rifles, the Mossberg Shockwave, and the Remington Tac-14 are shown in the pics below.

[B. Dudley]

Those 14” pumps are a total gray area in my eyes. Supposedly the ATF has blessed them and said they are “firearms” and not NFA items. Based on the overall length of 26.5” requirement. However, I always thought that it had to be an 18” barrel AND also be at least 26.5” overall length.

Either way... what I say to anyone who says they want one is that even though ATF says its ok. Good luck explaining that to the local law enforcement officer who finds it in your car or home.