Short 10 Non Toxic

[6pt-Sika]

Okay if I were able to get Nice Shot I wouldn't be asking these questions .

Can I load Bismuth in the SP-10 wad and is bismuth okay for use in Damascus guns with modified and or full chokes .

Can I load the ITX-10 shot in the SP-10 wad and is it compatible with fixed mod or full chokes in Damascus guns ?

[Mike Franzen]

I loaded bismuth in my full and full 10 ga. and it performed well. I used all brass hulls and fiber wads. Can't speak to the SP-10

[6pt-Sika]

Well Mike I could be looking at this all wrong . But if Bismuth worked without a shot cup in your application in the plastic Remington hulls it should be okay with the SP-10 . I was worried whether it needed a tougher wad like you would use with steel .

[10 bore]

yes on bismuth and sp-10 wad and full choke and Damascus barrel , scott

[J.B. Books]

Originally Posted by CraigThompson

Okay if I were able to get Nice Shot I wouldn't be asking these questions .

Can I load Bismuth in the SP-10 wad and is bismuth okay for use in Damascus guns with modified and or full chokes .

Can I load the ITX-10 shot in the SP-10 wad and is it compatible with fixed mod or full chokes in Damascus guns ?

Both Bismuth and ITX-10 are barrel friendly to older guns, contact with the bore is not a problem with bismuth and not supposed to be a problem with ITX-10. I have not used the latter but the BP website says it's safe. The tougher wads you mentioned in your later post are for steel or any really hard shot where there is danger of the shot scoring the barrel. Use of a tight choke is absolutely no problem with bismuth and should not be for ITX-10 if it says safe for double guns and small bores. Both bismuth and ITX-10 are less dense than lead or Nice Shot so you may want to increase the shot size to get the same penetration. Bismuth #1 has been available from Precision Reloading for a couple of years (when they have it), loaded to 1 1/4 ounce in the short ten it works great on decoying geese and pass shots to about 40 yards. On ducks I have no qualms about stretching that shot to 50 yards. A good all around shot size.

[6pt-Sika]

Pete when you say 1 1/4 ounce of Bismuth or ITX-10 is that by volume or weight ? At present my lead loads are supposed to be 1 1/4 ounce so by the same volume of non toxic would be less by weight correct ?

[Mark Garrett]

6pt-Sika , you are correct . I load my Bismuth by weight with its own data ( not lead Data) . Means you will have more pellets ( volume ) in an 1 1/4 oz load biz than lead , using the same size shot .

I did find something interesting the other night, my #5 Bismuth is denser than my #5 nice shot , In doing pellet counts , 176 per oz in Bismuth and 193 per oz nice shot .

[OH Osthaus]

I always load by weight

powder and shot bushings should be checked for an average weight

with non-tox the bushings are so far off i weigh each - or with bigger shot - count the pellets to a determined average

[J.B. Books]

Originally Posted by CraigThompson

Pete when you say 1 1/4 ounce of Bismuth or ITX-10 is that by volume or weight ? At present my lead loads are supposed to be 1 1/4 ounce so by the same volume of non toxic would be less by weight correct ?

Weight.

[6pt-Sika]

Well this doesn't sound that difficult .

I can still use SR7625 , I can still use SP-10 wads . I can weigh each charge of whatever size Bismuth or ITX-10 I use as I won't need over say 15-20 loaded rounds each time we go afield (I hope) .

And the added pellets to get up to 1 1/4 ounces may very well do away with the spacers cards I now put in the bottom of the shot cups of my lead 1 1/4 ounce loads .