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Old 07-16-2018, 05:21 PM   #41
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BTW: I do not know if Ken Waite Jr. monitors the Forum, but a high resolution full size close up of pattern No. 15 (like No. 16 that Dean posted) in his Damascus Sample would be extremely helpful.
Ken Waite Jr. passed away a few years ago but I'm sure Ken Waite III monitors the forum and makes the occasional post. I suspect he may have his Dad's barrel sample set if Ken Jr. still owned it at the time of his passing.






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Thanks Dean. I sent Ken a PM in the hope that he has the original high resolution digital images taken by Austin.
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Just adding to the discussion here, especially since Dr. Drew might respond to this query.

I have always considered and gotten the impression that Bernard Steel was considered a damascus steel. However, currently reading Ed Muderlack's Shooting Flying book and he refers to Bernard as being twist?

Which would be correct?
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I would consider Bernard Steel to be ‘pattern-welded steel’. Twist Steel wasn’t developed to repeat a ‘pattern’ so IMO Bernard Steel is closer to Damascus for the purpose of pattern welding.





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It's...uh...complicated Bill

Leopold's company continued after his death, until about 1890. His company made twist, crolle damascus, and even fluid steel tubes.

About every Belgian tube maker produced some variant of "Bernard" tubes. The 1897-98 Ferdinand Drissen Price List shows Heuse-Lemoine Bernard listed SIX times: ‘ribbon-barrel’, Grades 1st - 3rd, and I & II.

This is Bernard Ribbon and probably a twist variant



The Parker Bernard was mostly certainly damascus, by any definition

3 rod Parker Bernard refinished by Tom Flanigan clearly demonstrating 2 full width rods between 1/2 rods where the edges of the ribband were "jumped"



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It's...uh...complicated Bill

Leopold's company continued after his death, until about 1890. His company made twist, crolle damascus, and even fluid steel tubes.

About every Belgian tube maker produced some variant of "Bernard" tubes. The 1897-98 Ferdinand Drissen Price List shows Heuse-Lemoine Bernard listed SIX times: ‘ribbon-barrel’, Grades 1st - 3rd, and I & II.

This is Bernard Ribbon and probably a twist variant



The Parker Bernard was mostly certainly damascus, by any definition

3 rod Parker Bernard refinished by Tom Flanigan clearly demonstrating 2 full width rods between 1/2 rods where the edges of the ribband were "jumped"



Long version here
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...P3FP0fXb0/edit
Thanks, I guess I am going to have to put this down as the learned counsel from Illinois being mistaken in his book as he is discussing Parker barrels when he lumps Bernard along with English and stub into the "Twist" Category.
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To confuse things even more

"Twist" rods were NOT twisted before being wrapped around the mandrel and hammer forged

Crolle damascus rods WERE twisted (Crolle - Crull - Crullen - Curlen are Middle English words that appear in Chaucer's Canterbury Tales written c. 1386 and mean coiled or twisted) before being hammer welded into a ribband and then wrapped around the mandrel and hammer welded again

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...TayKKWCXc/edit
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