Winchester 1897 Black Diamond Trap

[Big D]

Shooting .22 Shorts - Yes, i shoot them all the time in my Hi Standard Olympic. Best pistol I own.

[Steve McCarty]

Originally Posted by Bill Murphy

I think that our friend, Dave Noreen, would know about Nash Buckingham's exposed hammer Winchesters. As I recall, he got a Winchester from Harold Money, but I don't know whether it was a 97 or a 93. I have my little covey of 97 Traps, but only one in extremely high condition. Kevin McCormack and I included that one in a "Competition Pigeon Guns" display at the Baltimore Antique Arms Collectors show a couple of years ago. Even though the display included some high grade Parker pigeon guns as well as other valuable pigeon guns, the old minty 97 Trap Grade drew the most questions and offers to purchase. Who knows what turns collectors on?

Feeling as if I should know, but who was Nash Buckingham?

[Steve McCarty]

Originally Posted by John Dallas

Shooting .22 Shorts - Yes, i shoot them all the time in my Hi Standard Olympic. Best pistol I own.

I shot some shorts in my Smith and Wesson K22 and from that day to this it has been difficult to chamber a LR round. I've tried everything to reem out the chambers. I even chucked a cleaning brush on a drill and ran it through the chambers at high speed...LR rounds still stick.

[Bill Zachow]

2of my favorite .22short guns are a Winchester model 1890, and a Browning semi-auto take down rifle. The Winchester is deadly on golden rod galls up to 25 yards using a Lyman peep sight. Those galls are about 3/4" in diameter. The Browning is not as accurate, due to its small size and light weight. Back to 93 pumps for a moment--a damascus 1893 would be even rarer than a model 61 shot--even rare than the pre-war 61 with the matted receiver like the model 12.

[Researcher]

Nash Buckingham and/or his family had a couple Winchesters. The 1893 that Nash and/or Miles won, supposedly upgraded to 1897 specs --



Apparantly, Harold Money left his Winchester Model 1897 with Nash when he returned to England circa 1910, and then went off to manage a rubber plantation in Ceylon. After serving his King in The Great War with the Loyal North Lancashire Regiment, where he advanced through the ranks from 2nd Lieutenant, to Lieutenant, and then Captain, Harold returned to the U.S. in the 1920s and worked at A & F in New York. He apparantly got his Model 1897 back from the Buckinghams at that time, as Charles Wicks mentions him having it.

There are several pictures in Nash's books of Irma with a Model 1897. Whether it is one of the two previously mentioned guns or another, I don't know.

[Steve McCarty]

Originally Posted by Bill Zachow

2of my favorite .22short guns are a Winchester model 1890, and a Browning semi-auto take down rifle. The Winchester is deadly on golden rod galls up to 25 yards using a Lyman peep sight. Those galls are about 3/4" in diameter. The Browning is not as accurate, due to its small size and light weight. Back to 93 pumps for a moment--a damascus 1893 would be even rarer than a model 61 shot--even rare than the pre-war 61 with the matted receiver like the model 12.

Oh, in that case I probably did not see one, but only read about them. Getting old you know. I've only been going to gun shows since the 50's and I've seen a few guns you see! LOL

Funny, but it seems to me that I did see one once and picked it up. Sorry, not sure. Sometimes, I wish I was 25 again. I was better looking, too.

[charlie cleveland]

a nurse ask my grandfather one time how he kept looking so young he was 93 then...he told her that beauty fades away but ugly only gets better... charlie

[Steve McCarty]

Originally Posted by charlie cleveland

a nurse ask my grandfather one time how he kept looking so young he was 93 then...he told her that beauty fades away but ugly only gets better... charlie

Or, "beauty is only skin deep, but ugly goes clear to the bone".

[Steve McCarty]

Originally Posted by Bill Zachow

2of my favorite .22short guns are a Winchester model 1890, and a Browning semi-auto take down rifle. The Winchester is deadly on golden rod galls up to 25 yards using a Lyman peep sight. Those galls are about 3/4" in diameter. The Browning is not as accurate, due to its small size and light weight. Back to 93 pumps for a moment--a damascus 1893 would be even rarer than a model 61 shot--even rare than the pre-war 61 with the matted receiver like the model 12.

Didn't Browning make their little .22 auto, the one that loaded thru the butt and had the bolt on the bottom, in 22 short only too? I always liked how that little rifle worked, but it was like shooting a pretzel.

[david ross]

I use a mod 37 ithaca to great old pump guns.
All the best Dave.