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Unread 10-27-2010, 01:14 AM   #11
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Hi guys! Maybe these will help for those folks looking for a more detailed view of those barrel flats and markings. I'm new to the forum and PGCA, and hope to post some better looking pics of #5045 in a new thread when I get the time. She's a bit of a 'plain jane,' but is in great shape for her age. Just a guess... but the stamped mark next to the "J.L." looks almost like a couple of crossed blacksmith nails. The barrels are engraved as 'Stub Twist.'

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Unread 10-27-2010, 06:14 AM   #12
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I've searched TPS and can't find any reference to that stamp to the right of "J.L."
I don't think it is a "4" but rather crossed 'somethings' like spikes or....
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It lookslike a 4 made with a dull die.

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I see the broken horizontal "cap" on the "J" and the crudeness of the "T" so a dull or broken 4 is a possibility. Who was "JL" and what would the 4 be indicative of I wonder?
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I like Cyril's idea of crossed broken horse shoe nails stamped on the "stub twist" barrels.
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Unread 10-27-2010, 07:11 PM   #16
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I knew that mark looked familiar,just couldn't remember where I saw it, (Old age setting in I guess). Just happened to be oiling the barrels to my 1891 EH that I just finished rust blueing and there it was! Appears there was a damaged #4 stamping die floating around the Parker shop. Wonder how many more we could find like this and on what year guns?
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Well I'll be...! There it is.
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Unread 10-28-2010, 07:29 PM   #18
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Interesting photo, Robert. Thanks! From what I have been able to read in TPS, that would be a stamping for your barrel's 'un-struck' weight (4lb,12oz). Even poundage numbers (possible for my barrels) would only have one numeral stamped. According to TPS though, I thought the weight stamps started around 1877? As the grade listing for #5045 is T0 in the ID & Serialization tome, and it's appearance is somewhat plain, it sure didn't look to be a grade number.
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The lifter gun that PGCA presented to me, 3920 , is stamped 4 2 ; the accompanying letter indicates delivery 10 september 1874.

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Found another one Serial # 15901, 1879'
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